Why Tim Tebow should get more Heisman Consideration
by staplemaniac on Nov 21, 2008 12:58 PM EST
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There are a lot of people talking about the trio of quarterbacks in the Big 12 who could win the Heisman trophy, and when I make this arguement I truly believe that they are all great players.
But here's the catch, the defenses in the Big 12 are awful. Miserable. Disgusting. The top defense is Oklahoma, ranked 55th. Let's compare the 2 conferences in the top 55.
3. Alabama
6. Florida
7. Tennessee
24. Georgia
25. Auburn
27. LSU
37. Vanderbuilt
40. Kentucky
41. Ole Miss
55. Oklahoma
Yeah, that's ...1-2-3-4...9 SEC defenses ranked over the top defense in the Big 12. That may partially be due to the quality of offenses in the conference, but I think that what Tebow has done in the SEC passing (specifically his 9.5 TD/INT ratio, compared to 7.2 for Harrell, 6.33 for Bradford, and 4.29 for McCoy) not to mention rushing the football makes him the number one candidate for the Heisman this season. I mean, he's only thrown 2 interceptions all season!(!!!)
The reason he probably won't win it? Because we've been there, seen that, and his stats aren't as retarded awesome as they were last season. I mean, last season he was unconscionable. People have seen the big games, the tough games for the Big 12 teams and since their loss the Gators have simply routed everyone, and thus he hasn't had that dramatic Heisman-defining moment (I'm looking at Harrell to Crabtree vs Texas).
I will say this though, I think Crabtree deserves more consideration than he's getting. I truly believe that he's one of, if not the, best receiver in college football over the last decade or so. That sort of talent, combined with his sick numbers and abilities, makes me hope that some voters will give him the nod over the overrated quarterbacks in the Big 12.
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Here's What We Need.
Texas Tech loses at Oklahoma, Oklahoma loses at Oklahoma State and Texas loses to Missouri in the Big XII Championship Game. Meanwhile, Tebow continues to lead the Gators juggernaut onn route to another BCS National Championship. It sucks that all this likely needs to happen, but it’s the way the game is played.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
Im so glad...
That someone decided to look up the defenses. I have been saying all along that watching Texas and Texas Tech…they just dont have any defense. Texas’ is overrated because of recent years and past…Tech’s is just horrid. I heard the word ‘scrappy’ thrown around, but they are worse than scrappy implies.
Its one of those things you can just tell…but I never decided to actually look. No surprise about Oklahomo. They are easily the most balanced team in that conference. I have no idea if they will beat Tech, but from our standpoint, would seemingly be the SEC’s biggest threat should we or Alabama make the NChamp game.
Happy the Thunder lost last night?
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I refuse to watch the NBA, period.
I flipped through, saw them on…saw Clay Bennett being interviewed and nearly through my remote through the screen. On top of that, Kevin Calabro (Sonics longtime play by play man) was calling them game for ESPN. He was fired after decades of working for the Sonics.
I did, however, see that they were 1-12 this season, fired their coach, and are already getting boo’ed. Funny how Oklahomo fans say Seattle doesn’t know how to treat a team. Get 3 teams, become a REAL ‘major league city’, and come back to us. Bad enough they copied our lone Championship banner and trophy and they are hanging them into their dustbowl arena. I bet they couldn’t name one player pre-Payton/Kemp. Even if Seattle gets a new team back, I refuse to watch until David Stern is either dead, or retired—-and frankly, I dont care which one.
Yeah I better calm down, haha. Seeing that last night just didn’t feel right. But I know Bennett and co. will get theirs…and OKC wont have a team for long. What kind of big name FA will sign in OKC and risk his family for tornados? They dont even have the money now that the economy has screwed up their oil companies. They are going nowhere. This is exactly what they get for gutting our team in an attempt to drive the fanbase into not caring. Ahhhh I need some Mountain Dew.
Umm... tornados/hurricanes in the South, constant rain in the Northwest, drought/wildfires in the Southwest, etc.
Insurance and a cellar will help any FA’s family.
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Crap, forgot that.
And then there’s this in the Great Lakes region:
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I noticed you are a Red Sox fan, so I shall not comment my feelings towards them : )
Then again the worst you could do is fire back about my Mariners sucking. Jokes on you though, because we know we suck! Only the ownership thinks they are any good.
Trade you Kenji johjima and Carlos Silva for Jon Lester!
At least you're loyal to your team, unlike the majority of my fellow Sox fans...
and the fans living around me in Tampa, most of whom seem to have suddenly forgotten that there’s a team around here.
How about Clement and King Felix for Buchholz and Lester?
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I wouldnt trade Felix for anyone under Albert Pujols.
He still hasnt reached his potential, but I have followed him since Single A. If our dumbass pitching coaches would stop telling him to establish the fastball early every game, he would be a Cy Young threat right now. Every hitter in the league knows he is throwing a fastball 25 times in the first 2 innings. He won me over when he started getting overweight and was told to go on a diet in the offseason. When he came for spring training noone recognized him. To find a 20 (at the time I believe) like that, has got to be a rare thing. Carlos Silva, on the other hand…
Im glad to see you are an ‘original’ fan. Ive grown to hate Boston based on the bandwagon stuff. Its sad, and im sorry, but I would be lying if I said otherwise. Same with the Cubs on one aspect—-the whole ‘curse’ thing pissed me off. Boston had the Celtics and Patriots while the Cubs had freaking Michael Jordan. Seattle has had it MUCH harder as a whole. I used to be indifferent to the Red Sox…never really liked the Cubs, though. We have never even been to a World Series before.
Exactly.
I’m not exactly an “original” fan, but I started following in ‘97 when my mom flipped on a game and Wakefield was pitching for the Sox. She went to high school with him, and my aunt used to be good friends with him. Sadly, her reaction was: “Hey [my dad], did Timmy get traded?”
She didn’t follow his career much after 1993 (back when he was on her family’s team, the Pirates), since she had to deal with me being born and later my sister. She told me how she knew the pitcher on TV, so I watched the game. I went through one of those things where I followed him because I had a connection to him, and then became a die-hard (for a 4 year old) fan of the team.
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Huh, thats interesting.
I got into the Mariners the way most did—-1995. I collected cards ever since I could remember, and my favorite player from said cards was Ken Griffey Jr. I think it was the whole ‘the kid’ nickname, and he was apparently really good.
Shortly after my parents divorced, I went to my fathers…he wasnt home yet so I popped on the tv and the first time I ever saw a baseball game—-Ken Griffey Jr was at the plate. I panicked, popped in a tape to record it…and little did I know I recorded ‘The Winning Run’ unfolding. Seeing Griffey under the pile is a moment I have never forgotten and instantly made him my childhood hero.
Up until then the only teams I paid any attention to were the Sonics (NBA Jam), followed by the Gators (found a Florida Gators license plate and Gators/Crocs are my favorite animals so it just happened). The Mariners, however, put me into diehard territory immediately.
You Think This Has Anything To Do With Your List Above?
117) Vanderbilt
116) Tennessee
112) Mississippi State
102) Kentucky
100) Auburn
96) South Carolina
94) Colorado (lowest ranked Big XII offense)
…
25) Florida
23) Georgia (highest ranked SEC offense)
21) Kansas
10) Nebraska
9) Texas
7) Oklahoma State
6) Missouri
4) Oklahoma
2) Texas Tech
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
Playing against worse defenses?
It goes in cycles. There’s no way to independently judge offenses and defenses without factoring in who they play against.
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I did say that it's partially due to the powerful offenses
But seriously, the defenses aren’t very good. That was my point.
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Nov 22, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
My Point Is This.
The Big XII has mostly elite offenses and bad defenses. The SEC has mostly elite defenses and bad offenses. I think that the SEC is better on average, but that’s not the issue. The point is that, just as their offensive numbers are inflated by their weaker defensive counterparts, our defensive numbers are inflated by our weaker offensive counterparts. That’s it, really.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
Yeah,
but what Tebow’s done is just silly. 2 ints? that’s impressive.
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Nov 22, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Don't Get Me Wrong.
He’s been rock solid this year and he’ll get a trip to NYC for it, but I doubt he gets the hardware this time around and I’m not sure he deserves it more than, say, Sam Bradford at this point. Remember, he played a great game against Texas in their only loss and he’s been consistently impressive all year. I love Tim Tebow, but I can also be objective. One thing’s for sure, why the votes come in before the bowl games are played is beyond me and there should be clearer guidelines for the voting.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
on this we agree
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Nov 23, 2008 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
When did the Heisman become the MVP?
It’s the best football player in the country. Tebow plays better all-around football than Bradford, but doesn’t have the stats this year because he’s not being leaned on so heavily. Let him throw every play vs. FSU and he’ll have like 8 TDs by halftime and Brantley will be in.
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That he's been pulled like halfway through every game hurts his stats also
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Nov 24, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
Seems like that’s why Bradford stayed in so long this week. Don’t anyone start with the TTU comeback offense thing either.
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What a defense Tech.
What a defense.
The TD with under 14 mins left in the game…a perfect depiction of it.
Tech now needs Texas or Oklahoma to lose, or they are officially done.
If Florida does not jump Texas this week, I will choke the BCS robot. Shoulda happened last week. Now it remains to be seen if Oklahoma or Florida gets #2. Not that it matters, given the circumstances (just win out).
Actually, just Oklahoma.
If Texas lost, they’d definitely need Oklahoma to lose.
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Yeah I noticed my error after I made that, but there is no edit button.
Texas needs Tech to lose. Oklahomo needs Texas to lose. Tech needs Oklahomo to lose. Its a mess.
I wouldnt mind seeing them all win to mock the BCS. Or even better—-they all lose and we get FLA-ALA twice. I know im in the minority there, but I have always hated Texas and Oklahomo (even moreso for obvious reasons now)…and Tech wouldnt be fun at all, as we would score 50 points before the game starts (defense is THAT bad).
There really needs to be an edit button.
Also the ability to comment on the mobile sites would be nice. Where’s the SB Nation headquarters?
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Well when they switched to this format on SBN...
..they were switching certain ‘minisites’ at a time. Like the Athletics and then the Mariners, etc.
There wasn’t an edit button on the last one. Lookout Landing (Mariners minisite on here) is brutally honest and very bi polar…so when they asked for comments, concerns, etc…they were bombarded. The guys who made this version of the site were very nice, listened to every critism, and answered every question in that thread. But my God…there had to be about 1200 comments bitching about the new setup. For whatever reason though, they never put the edit button in. But alot of the customizeable things for the main guy for each minisite (like m-tampa on here)…was thanks to the Mariners fans. A guy on here named ‘clockwerks’ is who would be looking for. He was the main guy working with us. Very nice guy.
Alright, just joking.
I just read over my comments first, and then post. And I don’t really use the mobile sites that often, just when bored with PSP.
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Yep.
I want:
Oklahoma to lose vs. OkSU
then TTU to blow out Mizzou
UF to blow out FSU and Bama (obviously)
OrSU to win vs. Oregon
ACC and BigEast champs to be 3-loss teams
That way we’d have:
UF vs. TTUin the NatChamp
RoseBowl freaking out because they have to take the OrSU – PSU rematch of a blowout.
Orange Bowl freaking out that they have two bad teams playing each other (might be balanced by hosting NatChamp)
Then we’d have the RoseBowl people finally siding with the pro-playoff side of the debate, because they’d lose money by having to take OrSU instead of USC, who’d be freaking out that they lost out on the NatChamp game.
We’d blow out TTU to take the title and one of the biggest obstacles to a playoff (BCS bowls always wanting conference champ teams) would be removed.
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For the record, before today's BCS rankings are released:
Almost everyone is predicting us in the NatChamp game. We just have to win out. I’m just hoping for chaos around us.
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions
http://gregdooley.com/archive%202003/1025BowlProjections.html
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/9999161/
http://cfn.scout.com/2/557866.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowlprojection?season=2008&week=13
http://www.sportprojections.com/group/ncaa_college_football_bowl_projections
http://www.houseofsparky.com/2008/11/16/663034/bcs-bowl-projections-novem (WTF? They picked Tech over us?)
http://tigerweekly.com/article/11-19-2008/9828
And for the final proof that stocks and football do not go hand in hand:
http://www.protrade.com/content/DisplayArticle.html?sp=Scb77311e-b65e-11dd-a2bb-5751d09bbbbb
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There site fails at URL creation. Here:
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I cant believe
Oklahomo and Florida are still below Texas. This BCS system is a joke.
Texas moves from #3 to #2 on a bye week, and everyone knows that its difficult to move up rankings that high.
Thanks for the links, certainly did your homework.
Not really, just Google.
I made a FanPost to the effect of your comment.
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Well, Texas still has the head-to-head over Oklahoma
But once the Sooners beat Oklahoma State their strength of schedule will push them over Texas. Florida played Citadel, what did you expect? FSU is better than TA&M maybe a win will push them over in the BCS but really, it all comes down to the SEC championship game assuming both Bama and UF win out (at least from our perspective) win and we’re in.
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Nov 24, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
because we played The Citadel
It lowered our SOS – while Texas was idle.
You would also have to look and see what our past opponents did last week (Miami hurt us) to get the whole story.
I thought that SOS was determined by the entire schedule, not just by the part we've played so far.
Either way, we’ll jump after beating Bama. Just have to hope that Oklahoma doesn’t stay ahead.
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That's a good point
I don’t know if SOS includes future opponents or not.
Regardless, we win out and we are #1 in all the polls – that will be enough by far.
Upset special?
Cowboys knock off the Sooners in Stillwater…..all hell breaks loose and TT is back in the Big 12 Championship Game by virtue of their head to head over Texas….just a thought.
Pretty much what I said above:
I want:
Oklahoma to lose vs. OkSU
then TTU to blow out Mizzou
UF to blow out FSU and Bama (obviously)
OrSU to win vs. Oregon
ACC and BigEast champs to be 3-loss teams
That way we’d have:
UF vs. TTUin the NatChamp
RoseBowl freaking out because they have to take the OrSU – PSU rematch of a blowout.
Orange Bowl freaking out that they have two bad teams playing each other (might be balanced by hosting NatChamp)
Then we’d have the RoseBowl people finally siding with the pro-playoff side of the debate, because they’d lose money by having to take OrSU instead of USC, who’d be freaking out that they lost out on the NatChamp game.
We’d blow out TTU to take the title and one of the biggest obstacles to a playoff (BCS bowls always wanting conference champ teams) would be removed.
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Tebow's a finalist for the Maxwell Award.
Colt McCoy and Graham Harrell the others.
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