Damn computers!
[Ed note: Moved this from fan posts to front page. Thanks. -mlm]
BCS Rankings for November 23, 2008
Umm... why do the computers hate the University of Florida so much? They have us at an average of 6th place, behind Alabama (obviously), Texas (maybe), Oklahoma (should be higher than Texas, but maybe), Texas Tech...
Wait, WTF? Texas Tech? The same Texas Tech that just got blown out by Oklahoma, the third ranked team? The lowest any computer put them was 6th. That right there should show you that the computers are screwed up. Just because they can'y watch the game, they can make all these screwy rankings based purely on numbers? Didn't they learn their lesson last year with Hawaii? Even with the strength of schedule, they shouldn't be that high. THEY GOT BLOWN OUT!!! We've never been blown out this year.
Okay, back to the list of teams higher than us in the average computer rankings. Next is... UTAH?!?!? WHAT THE 7734, man? One poll even has them 2nd! Are they @#$%^$ insane? Their best players wouldn't even make the 1st string at Florida! This is SO SCREWED UP, man.
Can someone PLEASE figure out why the computers hate us so much? Is it because Cam Newton stole a laptop (allegedly)? He should've held it hostage!
Please be kind and use good grammar.
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And yeah, I know, we'll play our way in somehow.
It’s just really annoying because now people will say that we don’t deserve it.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 23, 2008 9:56 PM EST
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Let's See...
Losses
1) Alabama: None
2) Texas: at #7 Texas Tech
3) Oklahoma: neutral v. #2 Texas
4) Texas Tech: at #3 Oklahoma
5) Utah: None
6) Florida: home v. Ole Miss
Wins
1) Alabama: at #11 Georgia
2) Texas: neutral v. #3 Oklahoma,v. #12 Oklahoma State and v. #13 Missouri
3) Oklahoma: v. #7 Texas Tech, v. #14 TCU and v. #16 Cincinnati
4) Texas Tech: v. #2 Texas and v. #12 Oklahoma State
5) Utah: v. #14 TCU and v. #18 BYU
6) Florida: at neutral v. #11 Georgia
It’s pretty clear who has the weakest resume of the six teams in question. Truth is, we’ve played like a team on fire since losing to Ole Miss, but that doesn’t erase that loss. And we’ve blown everybody out, but that doesn’t make up for the fact that the only opponent we’ve faced that is still ranked by the BCS is a highly suspect Georgia team. The SEC is having a down year and we’re paying the price for it now, but we still have the opportunity to play our way into the National Championship Game. If you want someone to blame for our cumputer ranking, may I suggest our team for losing at home to unranked Ole Miss?
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 12:52 PM EST
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I get that.
It shouldn’t be based solely on resume though. We are obviously a better team than Utah and Texas Tech, maybe better than Texas and Oklahoma. Alabama is the only team I can see that can say that they are better than us at this point.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:08 PM EST
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Subjective.
If it’s only about how teams are playing toward the bowl games, then why bother with records at all or keeping track of the first month or two of the season? I believe we’re the best team in the country right now and the BCS will bare that out if/when we win out.
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 5:30 PM EST
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See below comments about changing teams.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:52 PM EST
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2007 Hawaii.
How about 2006 Boise State and 2004 Utah? The Non-BCS teams are 2-1 in BCS Bowl Games, while only three BCS Conferences (SEC at 11-4, Pac-10 at 8-4 and Big East at 6-4) have a winning record in those games. Just some more food for thought…
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 1:30 PM EST
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I compared them to Hawaii because the stats they put up are a product of the system.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:09 PM EST
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Ummm...
I believe Utah runs the same spread option we do (475 runs to 73 passes) and they’ve played a much tougher schedule. This Utah team is much more like the last one to crash the BCS than it is like 2007 Hawaii.
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 5:28 PM EST
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"them" being TTU.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:36 PM EST
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But...
Just because they play a tougher schedule, and have a better record, and run the same offense, doesn’t mean they’re a better team. It’s not all our fault we play a worse schedule, but it is our fault that we goofed off against a team that could beat us.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:41 PM EST
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Ole Miss.
It kills me that we have that loss on our record, but I believe it is the reason why we’re playing as well as we are now. I think Oklahoma is in the same boat after their Texas loss. We will win out and we will be National Champions, BCS or not. Go Gators!
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 5:43 PM EST
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Yeah I know.
But that’s like winning an election even though the voting booths were screwy and not dealing with it.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:52 PM EST
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Im more annoyed for a different reason.
The system sucks.
by Slica on
Nov 24, 2008 1:14 AM EST
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Why?
I love defending the BCS, so please tell me why you hate it and I’ll do my best to address your concerns.
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 12:36 PM EST
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The arguement for is that it makes the regular season more interesting
However, the problem is that that is only the case for the top 10 or so teams in the last month of the season. All of the teams with 2 losses already know they are eliminated. That’s not that exciting. Basically, they are playing for a consolation game, and they want to be in a good consolation game. But really, none of the bowls matter except for the NC game. Unless you’re counting dollar bills. There needs to be a 4 team playoff. That maintains the excitement of the regular season, because you probably still need to have only one loss to get in, but it puts 2 more teams who could win it all (anything can happen in 2 games) into the mix, 2 teams which probably deserve it just as much as the top 2. This year, for example, a one-loss USC team or one-loss Alabama or one-loss Texas or one-loss Texas Tech team could all beat two opponents in a 4 game playoff and win it all. It gives more teams hope and more reason to watch late in the season.
The BCS NC game sucks because it takes the thrill out of watching games for the other 110 teams. Many of which after week 2-3.
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on
Nov 24, 2008 2:00 PM EST
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So...
110 teams with broken dreams is too many, but 108 is not? As Gators fans, we’ve become accustomed to all-or-nothing seasons where it’s “National Championship or bust”, but plenty of other programs have more modest goals. Do you believe Cincinnati and Oregon State think any less of their potential BCS bowl bids because they won’t get a chance to be #1? Do you think Vanderbilt cares that their bowl, win or lose, doesn’t matter in the big picture? If the argument is “a playoff is just more fun”, then I’m with you; but issues of fairness and true-champions are a different matter.
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 4:43 PM EST
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uh, yeah I do
I do think that those teams think less of their bowl games because THEY DON’T MEAN ANYTHING.
There are something like 27 bowls (if I recall correctly). You can be .500 and make a bowl. They are, mostly, dumb. The only one that, really, matters that much is the NC game. Some have some pageantry, but still mean next to nothing. It’s just another non-conference game, but at the end of the season instead of at the beginning.
BUT, if there were 4 to 8 teams in a playoff then EVERY game would matter. There would be fewer teams with legitimate arguements that they are the best team in the country which don’t get a chance to proove it on the field of play.
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on
Nov 26, 2008 4:36 AM EST
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Looking through the thread which absolutely exploded in the last 24 hours...
Its been explained for me.
And how is this post not rec’d? This has to be a record breaking thread for the site.
by Slica on
Nov 24, 2008 9:29 PM EST
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No one wants to give me credit.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 26, 2008 1:08 PM EST
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[sobs uncontrollably]
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 26, 2008 1:09 PM EST
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computers are run by people
In the BCS’s ideal world the championship should have a time honored big ten team and one of the lesser teams in which in their viewpoint should always be soundly routed by the big ten team. Lets face it the SEC gets treated like a red headed step child every year. Last year it was LSU, the year before it was Florida. It appears they do everything they can to keep the SEC out of the mix every year and its been that way for years. It makes sense, the caliber of teams in the SEC are second to none, we eat, sleep, and breath football. We play football year round, we cut out teeth on football, our mama played football. You could take the lower ranked teams in the SEC and they would be in the upper ranks of the other conferences. In a word we make the rest of them bad. This isn’t about Florida, its about the SEC. The problem isn’t with the computers its with the people running computers. I hate the Volunteers and the LSU kittens with a passion. But they are family and only a southerner can understand this, I can call my sister ugly all day but if you mess with her I’m going to mess with your face. Go Gators !!!
by flacracker on
Nov 24, 2008 9:55 AM EST
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Are You Serious???
The BCS has “selected” an SEC team ahead of reasonably qualified teams from other conferences twice in a row. In fact, your Big Ten favoritism gets shot to shit with 2006, when they could have easily put Michigan in the BCS Title Game instead of our Gators, guaranteeing a Big Ten winner. You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried…
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 12:35 PM EST
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The BCS has not selected an SEC team. The pollsters did. With Florida and Michigan, and LSU and the world, the pollsters believed the SEC winner was more qualified than Michigan (who had their shot at OSU) and LSU was better than Oklahoma (Big 12) and USC (Pac-10 co-champ). Had the pollsters not shoved UF and LSU to No. 2, they would not have played for the National Championship.
The BCS was founded on the belief that the computers are better at determining who are the best teams because the computers are not biased. This was based in part of the success of basketball’s RPI. The problem is RPI is one factor of many, not one of three (BCS being computers, Coaches and Harris polls). We saw USC and Auburn get screwed, as well as Nebraska get in after losing their conference title game (which happened in 3 of 4 years). Don’t believe 2 years of no screw ups is a sign of success. All you have to do is look at UF’s computer ranking of 6 and ask yourself if you’ll be happy with beating Alabama and finishing number three behind Oklahoma and Texas.
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UF C/O 06
by mlmintampa on
Nov 24, 2008 1:35 PM EST
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Wrong.
Last year, the computers had VT #1, LSU #2 and Ohio State #3, so they did not hold LSU back but rather helped them out by having them ranked ahead of the other teams supported by the pollsters. The year before, the computers had Michigan and Florida tied for 2nd behind Ohio State, so they were a non-factor. Talking about the previous encarnations of the BCS is non-sensical anyway, because the system has been improved; so far the latest version is 2/2 picking Championship Games and this year looks like it will be no different.
As for this year, Florida’s ranking will improve with wins at FSU and Alabama (should we hold serve) and all this bitching will be forgotten. The BCS is built to make one decision, before the bowls, and picking at it now is silly. And yes, it would suck if we were held out of the Title Game in favor of Oklahoma AND Texas, but they are worthy one-loss teams with better resumes than our own RIGHT NOW.
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 4:35 PM EST
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I agree that arguing with 2 games left for the teams at risk (UF, OK, TX, TT) is a bit stupid. But remember, if UF wins out, the BCS will have to make two decisions; Number One and Number Two. We assume UF would be Number One, but who knows?
Secondly, when LSU was promoted to 2 after the SEC Champ, the computers just reinforced their position. And talking about previous formulas is not “non-sensical” because you look at the entire resume. If you have been great at your job the last two years and the two previous you were stealing money, are you a good employee or a bad one?
As for the resumes, we still have the worst loss.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
by mlmintampa on
Nov 24, 2008 4:47 PM EST
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Stealing Employees.
It’s nice of you to arbitrarily stack that comp against the BCS (lol). A better comparison is this: if you hire someone and they start out as a below average sales person, but then they do additional training and become above average at the job, do you hold his start against him? The truth is that the current BCS formula is fundamentally different from its predecesors; it’s like an evolutionary leap, really. That’s why I think it’s pointless to talk about the more distant past. If anything, they fact that they’ve moved away from formulas that weren’t working is a plus for the BCS in my book.
As for LSU and Florida before them, the computers were right and that’s really all you can say about that. This year, if we win out, we’re in. If Oklahoma wins out, they’re in. If Oklahoma slips up, Texas is in. If Oklahoma and Texas both fall, then it’s up in the air (USC is my best guess, but it could be Penn State or even Utah). This will be mostly settled on the field, with the BCS just polishing off the details. That’s how it is supposed to work and, for the third straight year, the BCS will do its job just right most likely.
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 5:40 PM EST
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Your metaphor is wrong.
You speak as if ALL fans wanted the BCS to be “hired.”
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:48 PM EST
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Your Logic Is Faulty.
College Football isn’t a democracy; the people in charge instituted the BCS, so the metaphor holds up just fine. There’s plenty meat left in my post for you to try to pick at, so I hope you go back to it and do just that.
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 5:55 PM EST
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You don't mention the chaos that will be started if we get left out.
If the BCS people wanted more money, I think people would be more willing to bowl games if they had a say in how the teams in them are determined.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:59 PM EST
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The whole resume arguement sucks.
Teams can change.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:45 PM EST
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But...
The season matters. The WHOLE season matters. Being National Champions means being the best in the country for that entire season, not just the last three months…
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 5:47 PM EST
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But that's the problem.
To steal your metaphor, if a employee starts his employment year doing decent, but then discovers a new application on his computer, a new tool in his toolbox, etc. and starts to perform better than any other employee, who are you gonna give the biggest year end bonus to.?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:50 PM EST
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Ha!
Clever. Let’s say that some team out there lost it’s first two games of this season (let’s use Clemson as an example), but then they came back and ran the table in even more impressive fashion than what we’ve done since the Ole Miss game: should that hypothetical Clemson team deserve to be in the National Championship Game conversation because they’re the best team in college football right now despite their two losses?
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 5:58 PM EST
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Yes.
No question in my mind.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:59 PM EST
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Assuming you mean that they were dominating the ACC, and those losses didn't happen to horrid teams.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 6:02 PM EST
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Fair Enough.
We obviously have a different understanding of what the National Championship should be, but I respect your opinion. I have to believe that a playoff would be best for your type of thinking, so I’m not sure we should continue arguing about computers, right? ;)
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 6:03 PM EST
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I just think that I'd rather not have SkyNet determining if my team makes the NatChamp game.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 6:27 PM EST
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Pretty much agreed with him.
I really see it as a ‘what have you done for me lately?’ situation for college football.
Its really simple, you make good points in favor of the computers…but in the end, the computers are just too risky.
I think everyone here would be pissed off if the Gators didnt get in after winning from here out. Its unlikely, but its certainly possible. I dunno, its hard to get my thoughts straight since this thread just went crazy in 24 hours…this is alot to read.
by Slica on
Nov 24, 2008 9:35 PM EST
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It is not possible
For the Gators to win out and NOT go to the BCSCG.
by skigator93 on
Nov 25, 2008 10:42 AM EST
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Yeah, it is.
If Texas blows out Missouri (assuming nothing crazy happens this week) and Bama looks horrible against us. Oklahoma could sneak in if they blow out OkSU.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 26, 2008 1:11 PM EST
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no it isn't
1) If all 3 Big 12 South leaders win this week – Oklahoma could possibly jump Texas in the BCS because their game against OSU – a tougher opponent than A&M, could boost their SOS. In that case, Texas doesn’t even play Mizzou, Oklahoma does.
2) It doesn’t matter. If Bama looks horrible against us, then we will be given the credit for shallacking an undefeated #1 and we will move to #1.
3) No way the pollsters allow a team that doesn’t even win its division within the conference play in the national championship game over an 12-1 SEC champ.
4) No way that the Big 12 champ and another Big 12 team play a rematch in the BCSCG, while 3 other worhty conference champions get shipped off to other bowls.
5. We win and we’re in – no doubt whatsoever.
by skigator93 on
Nov 26, 2008 9:23 PM EST
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Win and we're in
If we win, we’re in. Period.
There is no way that Texas and Oklahoma meet for the BCS Championship. There will never be 2 schools from the same conference in the BCS Championship. That would mark the death knell of of the BCS.
The reason we are ranked low in the computer polls is because our schedule has been weak. After we play FSU and Alabama, our SOS will rise significantly.
Just be thankful, that along with Alabama, we are one of only 2 teams who completely control our own destiny.
Oklahoma needs TT to win, or else, they would lose the tiebreaker to Texas. Texas must hope the BCS poll ranks them higher than Oklahoma if they all win out. While everyone else worries about polls and computers and style points, we Gators and Alabama can focus on football. Let’s start by whipping the Seminoles.
I kind of like how the current system puts signficance on every game. It’s no like basketball, where losing a few is “no big deal” because all you have to do is make the tourney and get hot at the right time.
I am more for the plus 1, or modified playoff – but only 4 teams. 8 is too many. They could rotate the games every year, such as Sugar and Orange winners meet in the BCS championship one year, then Rose and Fiesta the next, etc. The 2 “semifinal” bowls will always get the BCS top 4. 1 plays 4 and 2 plays 3. It’s pretty simple. I kow that people will argue, “but what about the 5th team? they can argue that they should be in at #4….” Exactly, if you are fighting for #4, you are not deserved of #1.
You would still have the problem of asking fans to travel to a conference championship game and then 2 bowl games, but it is somewhat of a compromise.
by skigator93 on
Nov 24, 2008 3:24 PM EST
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Yeah, but the problem isn't that we might not make it.
It’s that the computers refuse to acknowledge us.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:10 PM EST
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They Do Acknowledge Us.
It just so happens that they think five teams have had better seasons than we have TO THIS POINT. By beating FSU and Bama, we’ll move up to where we deserve to be based on our current level of play. My guess is that we’ll go into the BCS Title game ranked #1 in both human polls and #3 in the computers and I think that’s fair…
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 5:46 PM EST
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Computers should be retooled I think.
Do they take into account stats put up on/by backups?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:51 PM EST
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I Believe
They don’t take stats into account at all. I believe they eliminated that to curb running up the score. It’s more of a strength or schedule component now.
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 5:52 PM EST
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So our win vs. UGA ranks the same as Bama's?
Even though we completely destroyed them to the point of having backups in?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:56 PM EST
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Ummm...
‘Bama was beating them 31-0 at the half in Athens… I don’t think you can argue that ours was the more impressive win anyway. That said, I do believe they are viewed as equal or close to it. The six computers obviously have different formulas, so who knows.
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 6:01 PM EST
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So? We had our better half in the second half.
They almost let UGA back. We didn’t. I’m pretty sure that the starters we playing the entire game, while our’s weren’t (which is saying something b/c of Meyer).
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 6:26 PM EST
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not really
You obviously didn’t watch the Bama/UGA game – it was a total beatdown. Bama was just toying with them in the 2nd half and when UGA cut the lead to 2 TDs, Bama flew right down the field and scored on que. It wasn’t nearly as close as the score – although UGA fans will say “Bama beat us in the 1st half and we beat them in the 2nd.” They are dilusional. They still think that they basically beat us in the 1st half and just got some bad calls.
by skigator93 on
Nov 24, 2008 9:15 PM EST
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I watched it.
So, if you say Bama was just toying around with UGA, then shouldn’t the win mean less? We were toying with them too at the end of the game. Our bench was clapping when they scored.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 26, 2008 1:13 PM EST
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Well you are getting a little technical lol
We could always bring up LSU/ALA vs LSU/ALA.
The formula can be revamped, though. Its not in the same general sense as baseball, but look at how baseball has evolved. Alot of teams are hiring stat-happy analysts that break down players beyond any casual fan’s comprehension. With the exception of a few retarded teams (like mine), gone are the days of ERA, RBI, and Fielding Percentage determining how good a player is. Scouts are starting to get to the core of a player’s abilities. I feel the same can be done with formulas to decide who is more of a legitimate team. Sure it will be harder since its a TEAM and not an individual…but it needs to at least be looked at.
They can keep the computer, but it needs to evolve.
by Slica on
Nov 24, 2008 9:40 PM EST
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Football is unique in its team concept
In other sports, a single player can play out of his mind and literally win a game singlehandedly. For example – a pitcher throwing a no hitter, goalie registering a shutout, basketball – 1 player can overcome lousy performances from his 4 teammates. But in football, even the most gifted athlete needs help from his teammates.
by skigator93 on
Nov 25, 2008 10:45 AM EST
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Not really.
Frazier was running down the field in the Fiesta Bowl all by his lonesome.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 26, 2008 1:14 PM EST
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don't forget
That team also had Lawrence Phillips (3 TDs), Ahman Green (1 TD), and Michael Booker (INT return for a TD)., Jamel Williams (sack for a safety) . So Frazier did have a little help.
by skigator93 on
Nov 26, 2008 9:33 PM EST
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That one play alone though is what I meant.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 30, 2008 4:41 PM EST
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but
That one play did not win the game….which was my point made above.
by skigator93 on
Nov 30, 2008 9:46 PM EST
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But it did, IMO.
It was a [Pontiac] Gamechanging Performance. One player can take over the game in football sometimes, but only when they are far better than any other player on the field.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Dec 1, 2008 1:05 PM EST
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Hey now…no name calling. We’re all Gators.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
by mlmintampa on
Nov 24, 2008 4:36 PM EST
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No Worries.
Name-calling is the last refuge for those without anything compelling to add to an argument. Besides, I’m a big boy, so I can take it.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 4:44 PM EST
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Oh My...
How will I ever survive without your approval? How will I manage to overcome such incisive criticism?? How could I have ever gone against the grain of such overwhelming intelectual arguements??? You, sir or madam, are incredible.
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by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 4:38 PM EST
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No, he supports his opinions well with good arguements.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:11 PM EST
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Good to see that I got a lot of conversation going.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:11 PM EST
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BCS + Blog = ANGER
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
by mlmintampa on
Nov 24, 2008 5:28 PM EST
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Always.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:36 PM EST
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(BCS + Blog) * Devil's Advocate = Mayhem
I’m happy to play the DA here. I appreciate your arguments against the BCS, as I hope you respect mine in favor. I’m for a playoff IF AND ONLY IF it is sold on the point of being more exciting/fun. No one can convince of the fact that the New York Giants were the best team in pro football last season (did you know that every team they beat in the playoffs had already defeated them in the regular season?) or that the NCAA tourney hasn’t killed college basketball’s regular season (does anyone know Kansas’ regular season record from last year, who they lost to, etc.?).
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on
Nov 24, 2008 5:51 PM EST
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This isn't Mayhem.
Devil’s Advocate supports the view that the majority thinks is wrong. Democracy?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:53 PM EST
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That's a lot of teams to keep track of.
40ish teams and games.
It’d only be boring if they player too many games.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:55 PM EST
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*played
obviously
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 5:55 PM EST
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You have no idea.
I dont have time to catch up so im making assumptions with some of the arguments. But this is good for the site, whic is always a plus.
by Slica on
Nov 24, 2008 9:42 PM EST
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I'm putting this on the front page...
so the crapstorm of comments can continue in the sunshine.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
by mlmintampa on
Nov 24, 2008 6:54 PM EST
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Huzzah!
Or we could just continue on the basketball thread for now…
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 24, 2008 7:05 PM EST
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No MOV
The BCS refuses to allow the computer polls to consider margin of victory (a relic of one of the previous "fixes"). Thus, the computer only sees — for example — that Florida lost to Ole Miss and Texas Tech lost to Oklahoma. It doesn’t see that Ole Miss defeated the Gators by one point and Oklahoma blew Texas Tech out of the water.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
by cocknfire on
Nov 25, 2008 1:50 AM EST
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My Fix.
I’ve always believed that they should have a measure of MOV, but with a cap. For instance, the computers should consider three types of outcomes: close game (8 points or less), solid win (more than 8 but less than 17) and blowout (17 or greater). That shouldn’t push sportsmanship out the window, would it?
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by ejruiz on
Nov 25, 2008 3:33 AM EST
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Imperfect fix
Take for instance Auburn’s victory over the Gators in 2006. 10 points. Solid win? Hardly. Gators have a chance to drive down and win game in waning moments, but Leak fumbles and Auburn returns it for a TD on the last play.
I like your idea, but the numbers would need to be adjusted upward a decent bit.
by skigator93 on
Nov 25, 2008 10:52 AM EST
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Sure, There Will Be Exceptions.
But if you push the parameters upwards, you’ll encourage running up the score. No one needed to see Sam Bradford in against Texas Tech in the 4th quarter so that Bob Stoops could say he beat the #2 in the country by 40+…
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on
Nov 25, 2008 3:44 PM EST
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Agreed
But computers are just incapable of judging an event except by hard numbers. Maybe a formula could be developed based upon the point spread?
by skigator93 on
Nov 25, 2008 11:41 PM EST
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Never let Vegas determine this stuff.
Plus, then it would screw up betting. Would you really bet that FSU would hold the Gators to within 16 1/2 points knowing that the uber-competitive Meyer will run up the score to get a better ranking?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 26, 2008 1:18 PM EST
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Holy shit:
From http://sports.yahoo.com/top/odds: USC favored by 28.5 over ND.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 26, 2008 1:18 PM EST
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Now 31.5.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 26, 2008 1:19 PM EST
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