HEISMAN EXPANDED VOTING

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 14, 2008 3:30 PM EST Comment 13 comments

Player Name	School Name	1st Place Votes	2nd Place Votes	3st Place Votes	Total Points
Sam Brad"frod"	Oklahoma	300	315	196	1726
Colt McCoy	Texas	266	288	230	1604
Tim Tebow	Florida	309	207	234	1575
Graham Harrell	Texas Tech	13	44	86	213
Michael Crabtree	Texas Tech	3	27	53	116
Shonn Greene	Iowa	5	9	32	65
Patrick White	West Virginia	3	1	8	19
Nate Davis	Ball State	0	1	8	10
Rey Maualuga	USC	2	1	1	9
Javon Ringer	Michigan State	1	0	5	8
Total # of Ballots	2648 (total number of votes)	902	893	853	5345

Bold numbers indicate leader in category.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but if you have a Heisman ballot, aren't you supposed to fill out a 1st place, 2nd place, and 3rd place vote? I mean, there are spots on the ballot for each:

via media.tbo.com

Then can someone please explain the 9 voters who didn't bother to fill in a 2nd place vote after submitting a 1st place vote? Or maybe the additional lack of 40 voters who failed to submit a 3rd place vote? According to Heisman.com, 926 ballots were sent out. The same site says that 90.4% of the votes were for the top 3 players. That would mean that out of 2648 votes, they received 2394. Wait...

300+315+196+266+288+230+309+207+234 = 2345

Where are they getting the extra 49 votes from? Are they maybe the 49 votes of 2nd and 3rd place that are missing from certain ballots? The top 3 really only got 88.6% of the votes. Okay, maybe that's not important.

Unfortunately, we cannot hold the voters accountable, because the vote is "anonymous," even though you can clearly see that the ballot has plenty of ways of contacting the voters. I want to know who the 24 voters who did not vote at all are (SPOILED SOBs, I"LL TAKE YOUR DAMN VOTE!!!) and who the above mentioned 49 voters are.

Anybody for starting a petition to make the vote publicly available?

Please be kind and use good grammar.

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Exactly right.

If you want to be a voter for the Heisman people, you should vote the way their system is designed for you to vote. There’s no way these voters thought there were only 1 or 2 good players in college. Clearly there were shenanigans. Luckily it was from a small enough number of voters to not change the winner.

by Gator Cub on Dec 14, 2008 3:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

But, if there were crazy voters who decided to put Brad"frod" 1st, and McCoy 3rd (leaving 2nd blank), so that he would get less points, that would be even worse.

This isn’t just a pro-Tebow thing. It’s a anti-Brad"frod" thing. He’s not the best player in college football.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 14, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He even quasi-admitted that before winning it, when Herbstreit interviewed him.

He said that he had ~~weapons~~ great players* all around him, and that he didn’t really have to do much.

*: I know he said weapons, but I respect the soldiers. This is a f’n game, not a war. They aren’t “weapons.”

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 14, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're right,

I mean Tebow and McCoy are throwing to one and half star recruits that have no business playing college ball.

by SoonerDutch on Dec 14, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Stats shouldn't be the primary thing here.

Last year should have been a lot closer between Tebow and McFadden, but this year Tebow and McCoy are clearly better players than Bradford. Most of their stats are their doing, not the players around them.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 15, 2008 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So even though stats shouldn't be the primary thing, they still clearly favor Tebow or McCoy?

How do you compare the three, number of teary post game speeches?
Stats kind of have to be a primary thing because most people, except apparently yourself, don’t have the ability to watch every single offensive snap of Florida, Texas or Oklahoma’s games this year to judge that despite Bradford having the superior statistics (at least passing wise) to Tebow or McCoy that he is clearly a fraud. You’re oversimplifying, saying that passing statistics have absolutely nothing to do with the quarterback’s ability to get the ball to the receiver. I think it’s clear that most people think Bradford is talented, when he is at least projected to be the best quarterback out of all three finalists.
They are all three very talented players, surrounded by very talented players, and in a regular year Tebow or McCoy would have won the Heisman.

by SoonerDutch on Dec 16, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's not about who's the best quarterback.

That’s what the Davey O’Brien Award’s for.

I haven’t watched EVERY single snap of Oklahoma or Texas, but of the games I did watch (pretty much anytime they were on TV – except the night of the UF-Vandy game), McCoy was a much better player than Bradford. He MADE more plays, rather than have them fall in his lap (See TD pass to Gresham that bounced off two defenders hands). He would’ve won if the Texas DB catches the damn ball at the end of the TTU game.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 18, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Also calm down

about the war metaphors. We use em in sports, we use em in politics, we use em everywhere—it’s not a disrespect to soldiers.

by Gator Cub on Dec 15, 2008 7:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ask anyone in the military.

I doubt they like having the risk of losing their life for their country compared to a kid’s game.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 15, 2008 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I really don't get your

Brad"frod" obsession. He’s a great player. He’s right up there with McCoy and Tebow and Harrell and Crabtree and Greene as an offensive playmaker. One of the MAIN reasons Tebow’s numbers are down this year is that he has so many great weapons on the offense with him this year. If it applies for Bradford, it applies for Tebow.

I just really don’t understand how Bradford is the guy you picked out to call a fraud. I think McCoy would have been the better choice, but Bradford is right up there.

by Gator Cub on Dec 15, 2008 7:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs