The Dark Art Of Dirty Play (Now with a suspension update!)
by mlmintampa on Nov 2, 2009 1:12 PM EST
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[Update 1pm] Spikes gets suspended for the first half against Vandy by Meyer. See, this is why the SEC actually has to do something. Meyer is damned if he does, damned if he don't. This is like getting in a fight at school because someone makes fun of your Mom and coming home to your Dad not being mad at you. I'd expect the SEC to step in and make it a full gamer. Also, Evil Tim Tebow makes an appearance in the article.
Spikes appeared to be retaliating after Georgia players pulled off his helmet on two occasions in Florida's 41-17 win in Jacksonville.
Said Tebow of the incident: "We didn't do anything that they didn't do."
I guess Evil Tebow is not resting until the FSU game.
Back to the original article...
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There was no penalty called on the following play. So, is it dirty? Should the offending player be suspended?
There was no penalty called in this play either on #55 in white. Is it dirty? Should the offending player be suspended?
There was no penalty called the next play. So, is it dirty? Should the offending player be suspended?
Football is a dirty game and sometimes it gets blown up outside the lines. In the third case, our man Brandon Spikes decided to payback Georgia's Washaun Ealey for Spikes getting gouged or poked earlier in the game. No cameras, officials or YouTube users picked those up. If you were at the game, you saw Spikes down on one knee with his helmet off and getting treatment on the sidelines. I highly doubt it was because an eyelash got in his eye. (By the way, Spikes wears an eye shield. If he got hit in the eye, that means someone came up through his mask, which does not sound fun.)
Of course, getting your knee blown out, watching your quarterback kicked and punched, or getting gouged/poked in the eye is no excuse to retaliate. The nature of sports is that the second man is always punished. In this case, with the SEC already under fire for bad officiating (and missing something that CBS saw live), Spikes might get an example made out of him with a conference suspension. I have no problem with that because it was a dirty play and Spikes should be smart enough not to fight back. That it happened in a chippy game is no excuse either. (UF had 1 personal foul call. UGA had 3 personal foul calls and tried to start one fight. Must have been the black helmets.)
Like they have done with coaches, any penalty on Spikes has to become SEC standard. It's not fair to Spikes to get suspended if the SEC does not create a policy where they penalize players for uncalled fouls (which is what Spikes did). It is also not Urban Meyer's responsibility to suspend Spikes either. A coach's role is to keep his players in line by getting good grades and not committing crimes. Spikes did something that football players have done for decades. If Meyer were to suspend him, that's asking Meyer to suspend guys for chop blocks and facemask penalties.
The opinion on this will depend on two things; if you like UF and if Spikes actually injured the player. As a homer (and someone who once played offensive line), I'll defend Spikes. Had Ealey gotten hurt, all bets would be off. Which brings me to this; I don't think Spikes is trying to injure Ealey. I think he is trying to psych him out. Spikes' hand is against the top of the mask, which is about 1-1.5 inches above the eyes (thinking of a standard fitting helmet, with an inch of space above the eyebrows). I think it is more likely he is hitting him on the forehead, not eyes. That's not much better, and I am being a homer, but I have a hard time imagining anyone being as coldblooded to try to rip a guy's eye out. Remember, Ealey can go back to the huddle and say, "51 is poking me," and a Georgia lineman would put his head into Spikes' knee (and if they don't, they're a terrible teammate). That is how dirty play works; you get our guy, we get you. The game polices itself, consequences and suspensions be damned. And, if you think this is the dirtiest play you have ever seen, you have not played or watched much football, at any level.
If Spikes is suspended, don't be surprised. But don't be surprised either when there is dirty play next week too.
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Your “I’ll defend Spikes” stance “unless Ealey had gotten hurt” is appalling. On Roll Bama Roll, they had posted the chop-block videos on Auburn vs. LSU, and there were calls for suspension, especially when Alabama received chop blocks in the Iron Bowl against Auburn that year.
I hadn’t seen the one where #55 pummels and kicks Tebow. That’s terrible! And yes, you’ll find everyone in agreement that he should have been suspended for that over at RBR.
McLain, one of Alabama’s main defensive leaders, shoved a ref earlier this year, and the consensus was, “Take him out of the game.” Most Bama fans were upset that Saban didn’t reprimand McLain.
Like I said before, you can be dirty and rough without trying to cause permanent damage to your foe.
I really can’t believe that these actions are defended here.
[Begin slight trolling] Look at Rolando McLain of Alabama. Bama fans, who greatly respect and admire McLain, agreed he should have been punished by more than a 15-yard penalty for shoving a ref. Spikes of Florida tries to blind a guy, a permanent injury, and the action is defended by Florida fans? Hopefully some FL fans will step up on this.
P.S.: Spikes, strap your helmet on! Don’t leave it unstrapped for it to “pop” off and make it look like a personal foul.
A little more to add: you act like this being an uncalled foul is grounds for it to be ignored:
Like they have done with coaches, any penalty on Spikes has to become SEC standard. It’s not fair to Spikes to get suspended if the SEC does not create a policy where they penalize players for uncalled fouls (which is what Spikes did).This, however, is the NCAA’s policy:
Furthermore, if the review by the conference reveals actions that should have resulted in a personal foul but were not called, the conference may impose sanctions.
that's a little squirrely, don't you think
I think he was referring to a standard instead of “if the officials missed something, we can do something later.”
Why is it appalling to change judgement based on the outcome?
If I shoot someone, my punishment depends whether or not I killed them. There’s no moral difference in trying to kill someone and failing, and trying to kill someone and succeeding, and yet society deems one worse than the other. Why is it “appalling” to be satisfied with a small suspension for a injury-free gouge, but expect a much worse suspension should there be injury?
The American justice system eagerly awaits your answer.
by Giant Catfish on Nov 2, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
That proves my point. Certainly, if a player had been blinded, a 1/2 game suspension would be a pitiful punishment.
In your example, you admit that a crime was committed and needed “justice.” Such is the case for Spikes. Justice is needed, but the punishment should not be as severe as if Spikes had actually blinded someone.
If I shoot someone and they live, do you think I’m off the hook for any punishment? Certainly not! I still committed a crime and should be punished.
I'm not sure your "point" is the same one you articulated in your first post.
I never said shooting someone who doesn’t die isn’t worthy of punishment, of course it is. Spikes did something against the rules, and he’s been punished. I think a full game suspension was in order, but I’m not outraged at a half.
You said it was “appalling” that someone could defend Spikes, up to the point of actually hurting someone. Logic tells me that if you think it’s horrible to defend someone on the grounds that no injury occurred, the punishment for “attempting to injure” should be the same as if he actually blinded Ealey. I can only assume you want Spikes banned for life, for something that happens in nearly every football game at every level, just at the bottom of the pile instead of on your TV screen.
by Giant Catfish on Nov 2, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think we’re actually on the same page, here. I just want Spikes to be ready for the SECCG, assuming Bama beats LSU Saturday.
I think 1/2 a game is an OK but pitiful punishment, 1 game is appropriate, and any more than that is going to weaken Florida too much for Atlanta.
If he does it again, though, kick him off the team.
After Tebow's response...
You might have a smidgen of disagreement from Tide fans. Oh, and it isn’t really trolling if it’s the truth.
Got banned by Rocky Top Talk in only one real day of posting. Damn, that was a good day!
Just my two cents
http://cbgators11.blogspot.com/2009/11/gouge-gate.html
For what it’s worth, I think Spikes should be suspended for the whole Vandy game.
Gator Bait: The first, and still the best.
This is pretty weak. Poking him in the forehead? It’s all cool because Ealy didn’t get hurt?
Whether he was trying to injure him or not none of us know. What we do know is that Spikes did something that could very easily have resulted in permanent and incredibly serious injury. Blow out a knee you might ruin someone’s career. Blind them you could ruin their life. We’re talking about a pile here. Spikes puts his fingers in the guys face and someone falls on the pile from behind and all of a sudden you’ve got a guy with a finger an inch deep into Ealy’s eye and the only difference is an event that Spikes had no control over. A half game for such a dirty play is ridiculous.
Meyer’s not in a bad situation if he actually issues a punishment commensurate with the crime, which he did not. 2-3 game suspension? SEC probably thinks that’s fine and nothing more happens. Half a game and you’re going to get people assuming that Meyer either condones this or that he just won’t give any kind of serious punishment to a good player. Either one is bound to draw comment.
Also?
It’s not fair to Spikes to get suspended if the SEC does not create a policy where they penalize players for uncalled fouls (which is what Spikes did).
That policy already exists at both the conference and NCAA level.
I'm wrong all the time.
If Spikes was actually trying to blind him...
…why was Ealey able to keep playing? Only two people know what was happening in that pile, Spikes and Ealey. The rest is speculation that Gator Haters feed on to get themselves through the other 6 days of the week.
That's an excellent question...
I for one was amazed that Ealey didn’t lose any playing time when HIS EYEBALLS WERE HANGING DOWN HIS FACE LEAKING GOO ONTO HIS JERSEY OH GOD THE HUMANITY.
I mean, it boggles the mind that he was able to continue playing without showing any pain from the effects of this heinous act. He was so stoic as to not even mention it during his post-game press session.
What a man!
This overall general message of this post is actually more pathetic than the "eye spike".
One thing is for certain, when you see Alabama in Atlanta this year you wont have to worry about these kind of classless moves.
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 2, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Are You Guys Serious?
How many times have you watched a game with a fumble and a pile up where the announcers say something along the line of “You wouldn’t believe what goes on underneath those piles?” Well, you finally got something caught on YouTube. Give it a rest, you are all acting like Spikes pulled a knife out from under his kneepad and stapped somebody in the chest.
If he really wanted to actually gouge an eyeball out, I think that he would have done it. He obviously was just trying to psyche Ealey out and got caught. For all we know, he could have just been sticking his hand inside Ealey’s facemask and threatened him just to get a mental edge.
If this were any other player on any other team in the country, it would be a moot point and nobody would be talking about.
I think the suspension should be for the rest of the season,
as well as the forfeiture of Spikes’ entire NFL career. Either that, or a public hanging.
After all, this is clearly the worst offense in the history of football, or even humanity.
Why don't you guys make your way over to the Michigan boards...
And demand that Mark Ortmann be suspended for the rest of the season for his nut punch on Corey Liuget from Saturday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPYueAc5XAE
Or maybe you could remind them about how Jonas Mouton threw a punch against Notre Dame:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPYueAc5XAE
My point is you guys probably never even heard about these plays because Michigan is 1-4 in the Big 10. Mouton did end up getting suspended for one game by the Big Ten, but that was after Rich Rod announced that no disciplinary action would be taken. Rich Rod has already stated that no action will be taken against Ortmann either, so at least Meyer is taking a respectable approach to the situation.
Spikes is getting an undue amount of criticism for a play that quite frankly is not uncommon all because he is one of the best players on the best team in the country. Sure he should be reprimanded, but he should not be punished further just because he is a great player.
Again trying to equivocate is kinda BS
You didn’t hear Oregon fans trying to justify the actions of LaGarrette Blount. Furthermore a punch versus a potential permanent life altering injury? Are you all crazy? Stop drinking the coolaid guys and admit that the punishment needs to send a message, and fit the crime. With all the problems surrounding very questionable officiating this year and now just dirty play how can you realistically defend this guy?
You're a clown.
Take your righteous outrage somewhere else, and wear some hideous Nike unis while you’re at it.
It seem to me that those that cannot try to discuss something intelligently and resort to name calling
Shouldn’t be questioning anyone’s intelligence
Oh, is that how it seem to you?
It seem to me that the quivering moral outrage over everything the Gators do this season is wearing pretty thin, and I’ve no patience left for drive-by finger-pointing.
I thought I'd come over here and just see what Gators fans thought
And frankly I’m shocked that you guys seem to care more about winning and justifying this guys actions at all costs. I had no intention of commenting, but all you have to do is win and you are virtually guaranteed a National Title shot again. Let me say it again. I am not hating on the gators, as a whole I am really just flabbergasted that you all want to let this guy off with a minor tongue lashing. I like the gators, I think they are number one until somebody beats them. But trying to justify Dirty football is not right. Who cares what other teams have done and gotten away with? This is not about them it is about Brandon Spikes and his actions. Period. But go ahead make fun of Oregon and Nike and our uni’s, try to equivocate by pointing out every other dirty play ever done. It changes nothing.
This is a game. There are rules calling for sportsmanship for a reason. Champion’s should win by playing like champion’s not by being dirty.
how did you not get that?
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Fine.
You can take your sportsmanship, put it on a banner, and hang it up. Put “National Champions of Sportsmanship” on a diamond-encrusted ring and brag about it. He’s been suspended, he probably should have gotten a full game, but if you think I want the captain of my defense, All-America Linebacker, first round NFL player suspended for the season because he stuck his fingers in some Dawgs face, you’re insane. I don’t pay absurd prices to watch my team be gentlemen. I pay to watch my school win, and win everything.
If you’ve got an issue with that, I suggest you also put that on ring, because they’re the only kind you’ll be getting.
by Giant Catfish on Nov 2, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say he should be suspended for the season
Or have his NFL career jeopardized, Also it is possible to have a good hard hitting game without trying to injure somebody. But now you are saying that I am insane for thinking that the fact that he is a captain or all American has anything to do with this. It doesn’t. The fact is that it is clear from the film that his intention was to injure the other player, period. End of discussion. Does somebody get of for assault because he has historically been a stand-up member of society? NO. But if you guys think it is OK to Win championships under questionable circumstances then go ahead play you dirty games, insult me all you want, it does not change the facts here.
His intention was to injure that guy’s eyes. Georgia doesn’t hold a candle to Florida, you guys win this game no matter what. What he did was unnecessary and wrong, and deserves more than a 1/2 game suspension. Plus do you REALLY think his NFL future is jeopardized by a suspension? Really?
thata boy catfish
so beautifully put i almost cried
by gatorempire127 on Nov 3, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
So you are saying that this is OK?
That going for somebody’s eyes is OK? What if the tables were turned and it was your guy getting attacked? Look I’m not trying to flame here, I’m just trying to understand how you see the difference between winning like a Champion (which you guys are) and winning like a thug. This isn’t a gang war this is football, a rough sport by anyone’s estimation, but there is a BIG difference between a premeditated act, and a guy losing his head in the heat of battle and throwing a punch. Man up gators and suspend him for a WHOLE game… Good gawd y’all it’s freaking VANDY! Teach him a lesson and show a little class.
The thing I really don’t get is you guys trying to say this is just a part of the game, and should just be considered par for the course. I get it stuff does happen at the bottom of the pile, and people get away with it all the time, but Spikes got caught and should be punished to the extent that it actually hurts. Not a slap on the wrist, and if you guys can’ spare him for a whole game against Vandy? Really?
No, you twit, I'm not saying it's okay.
I’m just saying that it’s not as huge a deal as you and the rest of the concern trolls that make up 90% of commenters on any story about Florida this year are trying to say it is.
Dirty play? Yes.
Provoked by earlier chippiness? Yes.
Deserving of suspension? Yes.
An attempt to “blind,” “gouge his eyes out,” or otherwise inflict a “PERMANENT LIFE ALTERING INJURY?” No.
Hey, thanks for your input!
Now go see if you can squeak by a few more FCS teams before you get pounded by Oregon in the Rose Bowl.
Hog-molesting Midwesterners.
Furthermore
Don’t get me wrong, Florida is a GREAT team and will continue to be. I’m not hating on the gators just the apparent apathy about THIS PLAY
WOW
Do you realize how practically impossible it is to blind somone by a mere poke in the eye? like seriously do you understand? it was a shit thing to do but for real its not a potential life altering injury at all. not even close to it you need to really really do some severe damage to blind someone and a poke in the eye is not gonig to do severe damage unless you got razor blade finger nails.
Just stick to PAC 10 football and bore yourself with that hunk of junk football and leave the reall stuff to us ok big guy?
by gatorempire127 on Nov 2, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
As far as saying it is hard to injure the eyes
Really? Then why is it that every self defense course teaches women to go for the eyes of an attacker? In fact the eyes are one of the most vulnerable parts of the body. But once again in lieu of an actually defensible argument, it is helpful to resort to personal attacks, misdirection, trying to diss on other teams and conferences go ahead, it doesn’t make you right.
Anyway I was hoping for a little rational conversation here but I found none, so I will leave you all to your insulated bubble of circle jerkiness. You apparently think that the absence of outside influences, and group think makes you right because you only talk to people who already agree with you. I’m sorry to find that out. If you guys can’t take a little justified criticism then I kind of feel sorry for you.
by QuackinAK on Nov 2, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, wait, come back!
We need more criticism of the Gators! We haven’t gotten any at all this season!
No one has had anything negative to say about Tebow’s concussion, the officiating in the ARK game, Dustin Doe’s fumble, our cupcake OOC schedule, not scoring 50 ppg, etc.
You’ll be missed!
And we’ll certainly miss your rational, intelligent use of women’s self-defense theory when discussing football.
read it again you quack
i said its hard to PERMANENTLY injure eyes. Obviously theyre easy to injure temporarily, your just kinda blowing smoke outta your ass now. and how were you looking for rational conversation when you were just going back and forth with childish arguments with wangalusa the entire time you commented on this? no offense to wangalusa i agreed with everything he said because you were just saying really irrelevant things and just didnt make any sense especially since as an Oregon fan shouldnt even be tlaking on this since the act by Mr. Blount was a lot worse than a little poke in the eye, i mean Sucker punching a guy in the face cuz you lost? grow up what are you 5?
by gatorempire127 on Nov 2, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
I said POTENTIAL permanent eye injury
Furthermore, I have not defended Blount’s actions, nor did I criticize the Gators, in fact I repeatedly noted how much I like the gators and their football team. My argument was with you the FANS of the gators trying to equivocate Spikes’ actions by pointing out every other dirty play they could find on youtube. Permanent eye injury is possible, have you ever heard of a scratched or detached retina? You guys are really too much, all you do is attack the edges of the argument and try to deflect it so that the argument becomes about everybody else. But go ahead call ME childish. Call ME names. Go to Addicted to Quack and I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone defending Blount. I am not saying Spikes is evil, or should be permanently banned from football. I never said anything untoward about Tebow or the Florida program as a whole. I did make a comment about questionable officiating, and only in the sense that there is a perception out there that Florida gets preferential treatment, I personally like to see teams do their talking on the field.
But ok deny that the POTENTIAL for permanent injury exists, the potential for temporary injury should also be reason for pause here. Once again I will say I LIKE THE GATORS, I think they are NUMERO UNO until they lose. Hate all you want guys, it won’t make you right. It just makes you sound like irrational jackasses.
As for the cupcake schedule etc. that is not what I was trying to talk about there are other threads to do that. Go ahead it is your turn to once again resort to personal insults, and try to make this discussion about anything other than the fact that Spikes’ actions are indefensible. Maybe I should not have said the word permanent. But the fact remains that the intent was to injure the other player here, and that warrants AT LEAST a whole game suspension.
You aren't actually making any arguments, you know.
You can’t just say “his actions are indefensible” and have that be the case.
Why are they indefensible? Does the fact that UGA players were targeting him and his teammates all game have no bearing on the situation? Furthermore, how can you say for certain that Spikes’ intent was to injure Ealey? It’s been widely circulated that he was wiping Ealey’s spit on his face after removing it from his own. Other speculation has been a “face wash” similiar to what hockey players do.
The thing that rankles about your visit here is words like “indefensible” and an overall black-and-white, no-mitigating-circumstances view of an incident you’ve seen on youtube a few times. It’s like all the rampant internet speculation about Tebow’s neurological condition post-concussion: you don’t know what you’re talking about, so shut up or at least admit that you’re clueless before spouting bulls***t.
And, since I know you’d be even more butthurt if I forgot it, here’s your personal insult: you’re a simple-minded d-bag.
Now who is whining?
Look this is the way I see it if you don’t like it fine. But you do not need to resort to personal insults and attacks on other people’s teams. And to say that there are mitigating circumstances is all fine and dandy, but where is your evidence? Why do you keep injecting things about Tebow and Florida in general into this conversation?
Look I could sit here and tell you all the BS surrounding a certain incident that happened with a player on the Oregon Team, but it has no bearing on the fact that LGB should not have punched that guy (even though it could be argued that that guy is a d-bag and deserved it) Get over yourself dude. Talking to you reminds me of talking to my 15 year old daughter. Stop defending the guy he was wrong, and so are you.
The fact that you keep trying to insult me personally, is further testament to my overall argument that in the face of a rational and reasonable argument you will try to insult me and change the subject to Tebow’s concussion. What does that have to do with this discussion? Stop trying to throw other people’s points at me like some kind of straw man only so you can knock it down. You sir are the only irrational person here.
I have repeatedly stated here that I don’t have an issue with Florida football as a whole just THIS INCIDENT, and more specifically your continued defense of this situation and the slap on the wrist Spikes received. So please stop trying to put words into my mouth, trying to assign motivations of hatred towards your team as the root cause of my chagrine. The fact is it was dirty, he knows what he did and why he did it, and so do you. Spare me the rationalizations and pointing out that everybody else does it etc. etc. blah blah blah.
Once again I would like to point out that I have resisted the urge to resort to personal insults and accusations as they only serve to weaken my argument that Brandon Spikes was wrong and so are you, so get over it already.
The one thing that's become clear from that last post
is that your 15-year-old daughter is probably smarter than you are. I’m pretty sure she has better reading comprehension, anyway.
I’m done—you win. It’s clear that you have perfect knowledge of a situation that happened on a football field 5,000 miles away from you and that you’ve seen in a few YouTube videos. Furthermore, I’m ready to admit that you fully understand Brandon Spikes’ thought process and specific actions during the incident in question, as well as everything else that took place on the field on Saturday.
It’s obvious that I can’t argue with your “facts”: namely, that Brandon Spikes is a terrible, no good, very bad person and he should be publicly flogged for being so vicious, and possibly prosecuted.
finally a rational person
I’m done—you win
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
i say that
not as a jibe to wangalusa, but because, there is no point in arguing with most of you. its pointless. gators are terrible terrible people and every other team is immaculate.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
QuakinAK
You have dominated this argument and I’m sure you can see that, I also came here to see what some reasonable intelligent Gator fans might say about this incident, but you read this and you can’t believe these people.
You guys are worse than your worst stereotype. Spikes’ action was pathetic, and Urbans reaction was worse. ESPN, and CBS agree, as well as most of the world, you Gators can enjoy your own retarded circular arguments.
oh well
if espn and cbs agree, then i have to be wrong. get out of here and go jerk each other off on your own blogs.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
and how do you think a guy that thought spikes actions were
SEVERE AND LIFE-ALTERING won the argument? i bet ealey didnt even know it happened till he read it on espn.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Because
He used rational arguments and stuck to the topic, whereas you attacked his character and tried to deflect his points by changing things he said. He never said it was severe or life-altering.
He said it COULD be, which is very well could have. But continue to change things till they fit your point. I would too if I had nothing to back my argument.
If you're upset about this,
just wait until Spikes tears Ponder’s tongue out of his head and eats it on the 50-yard line at Florida Field in a few weeks.
I feel bad for the UF fans who have been around for more than 4 years
Who are being represented by you.
act high and mighty
i have many a fsu friend, and i feel sorry for them having you represent them.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
My view as a Gator fan.
First off:: “clearly the worst offense in the history of football, or even humanity.”
If it was the worst offense in the history of football it wouldnt be in the history of humanity, football hass only been played for about 120 years. Humanity has existed for just a little bit longer, dont ya think? It couldnt be both it can only be one of the two since the majority of humanity on the planet has been sans football.
Secondly: i agree with the suspension (yeah a gator fan agrees shocking).. poking some one in the eye is not a classy move in the least bit. But i think that the non reaction from the effected player somewhat effected the punishment. If he had been hurt or had mentioned it to the media at all, he would be done for a game or two maybe more idk, thats why im not in charge of these things. But it was the right thing to do to suspend him, thats not how football is played or how florida plays football.
Thirdly: To say that Brandon Spikes doesnt “belong in college football” is a bit over the top, Especially since it was his first offense (that we know and can judge on, all other offense like this aren’t relevant at this point) and since looking ack at the future of college football many many more acts like this and ALOT worse ones too, may i remind you of Marcus Vick steppig on a face with his cleats and tearing the kids face enough to need stitches. Im not defending what he did cuz its wrong and puts a blemish on the face of a sport we all love, no matter what team were die hard fans of. Its just a little ridiculous to want him banished from college footbll altogether becuase of one act of retaliation
Use Some Common Sense
wangalusa was clearly kidding when he said that it was "clearly the worst offense in the history of football, or even humanity."
OMG
I’m so embarrassed! Thanks for pointing out that the history of football is, in fact, “just a little bit” shorter than that of humanity. That was almost a real goof on my part!
In fact, I’d wager that many people reading that might detect some irony, which was MOST CERTAINLY NOT my intention.
Again, thanks for the catch!
Your right
I knew it was sarcastic, i just got a bit defensive about my team. I take it back but stand by the rest of my post, sorry for the call out. Didnt mean any harm by it, im just being a fan.
by gatorempire127 on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
It was a classless, dirty and unnecessary play
I have only watched the game once and need to go back and re-watch. I have heard that the trenches were ridiculous the entire game on both sides, with both teams pushing the envelope. That does not excuse what Spikes did, and I think a one game suspension might have been more appropriate than only a half. We don’t need our team to be associated with that type of play. Spikes should have let the scoreboard do the talking. UGA was obviously frustrated, but there is no need to smear the name of the Florida Gators by acting like a dirty WWF wrestler.
The haters will call for season long suspensions or dismissal from the team. They will cry that Ealey’s sight was in jeopardy (it wasn’t). That Urban is evil and will win at all costs and doesn’t care about the other team’s players or their safety. It is all a load, as they yelled the same things before this event. They are only hoping that they could face UF without Spikes because they think it gives their team a better chance to beat us. Best of luck with all that.
by skigator93 on Nov 2, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
i tried to say it better but i couldnt and i dont think anyone else can.
by gatorempire127 on Nov 2, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Careful there, skigator93
You’re sounding eminently reasonable, and the internet is no place for reasonableness.
You are right - should be a one-game suspension
a half game makes you look like… what? A program that cares only about winning? Yes.
It would have been real easy to fix. Meyer was in no type of bind. He just had to say to say to his player you don’t get to play at Vandy (at Vandy for god’s sakes. A cupcake). This was the worst possible solution: he was wrong but we won’t really penalize him.
Which half does he get to play? Does it depend on the score?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 2, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
But I should thank you
You’ve made it hard not to justify bringing Blount back after what has been a 7 game suspension
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 2, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
I have no problem
with Blount coming back, and I don’t think he should have gotten suspended for the entire season in the first place.
That said, the two situations are totally unrelated, and the Blount situation has no bearing on Spikes
neither do i
dude was talking shit and got knocked out. blount was wrong, but he should be allowed back. although i really dont think they need him, number 21 on their team is incredible and they have really been on a roll since he was suspended.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Just keep it up, haters...
First, I just want to say what a pleasure and relief it is to see other Gators hitting all the main points—and with sardonic humor, no less! Means I don’t have to…
As for the haters, like I say: Go ahead; apparently this team thrives on an “us against the world” mentality. If it weren’t already there, maybe we’d have to CREATE it. Wait a minute, you don’t think…no, the coach ain’t THAT diabolical. And there ARE plenty of REAL idiots out there—look no further than above!
Wrong
I “play the hater’s card” because it is a FACT…it may BE so BECAUSE Florida is #1, that’s no doubt part of the reason, but don’t tell us it ain’t so—you’re all over our sites! As for the punishment itself, again: That happens to be the prescribed SEC punishment for a “flagrant offense” where no one’s hurt and there is no flag—1/2 of the next game. That’s why they merely acknowledged the coach’s punishment and took no further action. That there is a multitude crying for more, in their righteous outrage, it would be laughable—except maybe it’s doing us a favor, as I said. Even the pussies like Cornhiser and Golic (he KNOWS better, having played in the PROS—but he’s an ND’er, so he has neither brains NOR perspective) are yapping from behind their microphones.
Of course I realize that tons of people hate Florida…for many reasons other than the fact that they are number 1 (And by the way I realize that hating someone just because they are number 1 doesn’t make sense). But I think that tons of people would still be talking about the incident even if a Gator had not been the perpetrator.
It’s definitely not laughable to be asking for more than a half game. “Flagrant offense” is not clear cut. At some point there has to be some act that is bad enough to warrant more than a half game suspension.
i don’t see you posting on Michigan’s board about the groin punch, and there the coach didn’t even suspend the player at all! where’s your outrage there?
I have not yet seen the groin punch. It sounds bad. But anyways, nobody has time to go posting on message boards whenever something interests them in a football game. The Spikes play was on a lot of sites and was hard to miss. I read a comment on this site and felt like responding to it. That doesn’t mean I have to go posting on blogs all over the internet in order to be consistent.
how do you figure sporst fan
seeing as how the punch landed and the finger didnt? if your implying the punch is worse because it actually happened, i agree!
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
too freaking funny
look at all these hater coming from other teams acting as if their own team hasnt doesnt heinous things at the bottom of a dogpile. if half of you pretty boys knew what went on youd crap your pants. spikes retaliated for an eye gouge he got earlier, and gasp did the same thing. if you think that was the only eye “gouge” ( i say gouge because spikes finger didnt even touch ealeys eyes) in the game, you are being ridiculous and irrational. i get it, its the gators, and after all the “refs are making sure uf wins” talk i would expect nothing less than detractors every week. but to think that this one instance that was caught on camera somehow reflects the entire attitude of the gators or spikes is in fact the most irrational thing i have ever heard. it really doesnt matter what urban did to spikes, it wouldnt be enough for most of you. not to mention all the horrible things that happen that the camera doesnt catch. where is the outrage there? do you think your precious tide or hokies or any other team out there doesnt do at least 5 things dirty a game? if you do i have some ocean front property in oklahoma for you. i mean seriously, spikes should obviously be banned from any organized sports ever again!
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
there is a reason for the term "gator haters"
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised the Gator faithful would somehow justify the attempt by one of their players to intentionally blind someone. The Gator nation has become the most unsportsmanlike group in college football in recent years. It’s sad that they represent the SEC in that way. Meyer seems to revel in the behavior.
I know, I know……“We win therefore people hate us.” If that were a valid argument then why is there no similar term for “Tide haters” or “LSU haters” or “trojan haters?” Think about it.
People from around the country following this story will get to see what Georgia fans already knew: Meyer and his players have thrown sportsmanship out the window. Before the Georgia game last year I actually respected both Meyer and Tebow. However, the two timeouts, keeping the starters in during a blowout, the fake “take a knee”…and on and on and on…in retaliation for Georgia players celebrating a touchdown showed me their true colors.
It is a program that wins but it has no class.
They
Don’t seem to be capable of much rational thought. I guess SBN failed on their UF forum, their posters seem to be somehow less informed than a casual Gator fan.
aaaaaaaaaaaahahaha
too funny. you guys come here to rile us up, (without us asking you too btw) but WE have no class or rational thought when we defend the team, its players and coaches? how does that work in your little rational mind?
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't realize I had to be asked to come to a public forum
with an article from a fanbase-ran forum representing the Gator fans opinion on one of CFB’s biggest controversies this week.
You can support your players/coach/and team while criticizing them.
Does the fact that I dislike Bobby Bowden’s recent coaching decisions and want him to retire mean I support FSU, the players, or even him any less? No. I love Bobby and what he has done, but I can see wrong when he does it. I didn’t support any shorter suspensions for FSU’s players who cheated on an online test, even though we needed them.
I am sorry you feel the only way you can support your team is to justify things like this.
you said we failed on this forum
i can only assume you say this because we disagree. to go a step further, isnt a forum about disagreements? about arguing over the interwebs about things that dont even matter? and then you called us less informed. we know the rules, and we know that a penalty flag should have been thrown on spikes. but many of us think 1/2 game is fine because what spikes did, was not that big of a deal. nothing came from the play, and like i stated earlier, ealey probably didnt even know it happened. we justify it it because people such as yourself come on here and make snap judgments, call us names (or in your instance “uninformed”) and think thats just dandy. but guess what, its not.
i support this team, and if i were you id support bobby too. bobby has done wonder for that program and isnt fully to blame for its recent failures. many of your recruits havent panned out, and many of your assistant coaches have left (mark richt anyone) leaving the team in lesser hands. but i guess it shows what kind of fan you are, running when a program is having some problems.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Don't pretend
To know about what is going on inside FSU’s program, as I don’t pretend to understand UF’s. There is alot more going on, but that is besides the point.
I completely agree that the forums are meant for debate, and I think that is the best part about them. I can understand your stance on the penalty and the suspension, and I agree, that is the minimum acceptable punishment.
My problem is with people saying that eye gouging is a part of the game, and that it happens all the time. No, its not, and it doesn’t. Saying that what goes on in a pile would make me gag is also wrong. I get it, but the people who do these things are not people I want on my team, and I don’t want any of my players doing that. Thank you for the reply.
we actually i do know alot
like i said, i have many a fsu friend. but thats a diff argument for a diff time.
look i get it, eye gouging and hair pulling and gut punching are all things that are not a part of football. but i think most of us on here, and i include almost every football fan in this, know that it does in fact go on. many of my fav players were probably either the victim or the perpetrator of it. the reason we bring up the “it happens all the time” argument is because many of you (maybe not you personally) think spikes was waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of line and deserves to be kicked out of football (yes i have heard that argument on this thread and many other places). what he did was common practice, and although reprehensible, not the worst thing that has happened to football. and those acting all high and mighty saying he tried to permanently blind him and all this other non sense, are the uninformed and irrational ones.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, it's a real shame all right.
/shakes head ruefully about the state of college football, in which one rogue program has single-handedly snuffed out all that was good and right and “classy” about the world.
I’m sure Urban Meyer and Tebow are crying themselves to sleep without your approval.
damn them for getting back at UGA
no need to talk about the classlessness of the TD party, but lets focus instead on the next years game. are you freaking serious? do you ever hear yourself?
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly what I mean
Georgia players celebrate a touchdown one year (and their coach apologizes the next day to Florida, its fans, and the SEC) and the next year Florida “gets even” by committing all sorts of atrocities of sportsmanship.
A Georgia player grabs a Gators helmet and it comes off and Florida fans then justify the attempted blinding of a player.
THAT is why there are Gator haters. There will be gator haters even after Tebow leaves and Florida is just another SEC team.
attempting to blind a player?
where is that accusation coming from. spikes is a big boy, im sure if he wanted to blind someone on the football field, he would have accomplished that goal. i imagine he did it to inconvenience and annoy ealey.
uf had every right to do what they did. it was within the boundries of the rule (last year not spikes thing). this is college football, save that everyone play nice and every gets a trophy crap for pee wee.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
and for the record
i thought what uga did the year before was hilarious. know why? cuz this is a football game! you should have some fun out there, its just unfortunate they did it to a team that has the coaching and ability to hold it against them for many many years.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
thats it?
i give you a rational and thought out reply, and thats what i get? why did you post again?
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
where?
rational and thought out? Your statements just prove my point. Florida fans think everything is okay as long as their gators do it.
I can see it years from now when your grandson asks, "Now, grandpa, why is it okay for our players to try to gouge out the eyes of the Georgia players?’
“Well, you see, many years ago Georgia scored a touchdown against us and their players celebrated. Even though they apologized, we still do anything we can to make them remember it….and that includes gouging out their eyes.
I post to make you see the lack of reason in your thoughts. Your continued defense of unsportsmanlike behavior just accentuates my points.
(That should have been obvious.)
have you been keeping up with my comments?
read my earlier argument with njfoshizzy. im sorry but i really dont see the need to respond to every comment with the same thing over and over again. again you are another person making snap judgments. and i SPECIFICALLY stated that the timeout thing was ok, not the eye gouging. you make yourself look less intelligent with every response.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
another awesome response!
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
hardly
As I stated before, they revel in the behavior.
reply fail
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 2, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
From a Bama fan,
I just wanted to get this out there: MOST Florida fans I’ve talked to these past few days have been far more rational, kind, and fair than the Tennessee fans I talked to last week.
The level of class between Florida and Tennessee fans is so different, and it’s been a pleasure getting to hear from you guys.
I’m going back to Roll Bama Roll now until the week of the SECCG (assuming we beat LSU Saturday). Keep Tebow healthy and Spikes unsuspended for us!
Oregon...
A perfect example of how to treat a serious infraction. Seven games is good for something that heinous. However, Florida has now made itself a perfect example of what NOT to do. I remember Mark Richt taking a similar stance. Based on the non-response by Urban Meyer, 2009 Georgia is 2010 or 2011 Florida. Enjoy having Ryan Leaf as your QB until he graduates at the end of this season.
Got banned by Rocky Top Talk in only one real day of posting. Damn, that was a good day!
Just how stupid are you?
Ealey has come out and said Spikes wasn’t anywhere near his eyes.
Man, Oregon gets one win
and they can’t stop talking smack.
Enjoy your brief ascendancy into college football relevance.
Again, would an Oregon fan be so proud...
Of trolling the crap out of Tennessee? Other than Florida or Georgia, who would hate the Tennessee Volun-tears enough to troll them into a ban in one day? Come on, you can do it, even if your team wears orange and blue. Here’s a hint: See you in Atlanta. The two things that will be red in that stadium will be my team’s jerseys and your faces after Florida loses.
Got banned by Rocky Top Talk in only one real day of posting. Damn, that was a good day!
If I were you
I’d be more worried about LSU this weekend.
And I apologize for calling you an Oregon fan. That was out of bounds.
Why apologize?
I know an Oregon fan, and they’re a good bunch. Also, they’re maybe the only team I respect in the Pac 10, because, honestly, who likes USC? I’d much rather be called a Ducks fan than a Volunteers or Gators fan.
Just because I'm an occasional to frequent troll, doesn't mean I lack a heart or don't have a point. Rocky Top Talk blog ban: I did it for teh lulz.
you seriously are the biggest troll ive ever seen on sbn
just so you know
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Nov 4, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Man. I haven’t even started to warm up yet. I will always look back with fondness on my FanPost congratulating Lane Kiffin at length for going a full five days (10 now) without a reprimand from Commissioner Slive. While I will never know, I suspect that’s what landed me the ban over there.
Just because I'm an occasional to frequent troll, doesn't mean I lack a heart or don't have a point. Rocky Top Talk blog ban: I did it for teh lulz.
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