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A Florida fan who takes what Spikes did seriously

 

I'm a Florida graduate and fan who often reads and enjoys the various SEC blogs around here. I haven't posted before but feel compelled to now, mainly because parts of the Florida assessment of the Spikes situation are embarrassing. I cross-posted to the 3 blogs where I thought it was applicable, I apologize if that isn’t supposed to be done and feel free to remove if that’s the case.

 

Unlike what mlmintampa says, I believe it most definitely IS Meyer’s responsibility to suspend someone for something like this. This is not a chop block or a facemask in the middle of a full speed play, this is digging at someone’s eyeballs. Everyone needs to stop trying to rationalize and downplay this. And the result of the action, whether or not Ealey actually got hurt, doesn’t change the action itself and means absolutely nothing here.

 

I understand both Tebow and Spikes had their eyes poked badly during the game and had to be treated. I understand Ealey took a cheap shot at Ahmad Black’s neck. I understand Georgia did this and Georgia did that. I understand this stuff "happens all the time." I understand that if this had happened the exact same way, with the exact same camera work, in the East Carolina Memphis game on Tuesday, we probably would have never heard about it. None of that makes it the least bit excusable.

 

I don't care if it "happens all the time," never gets caught, and always goes unpunished (which I believe it more or less does). Fact is, it did get caught this time and needs to be firmly punished, because one day it may result in someone having a life-altering injury. Being #1 in this day and age means you are constantly in the spotlight. It also means many people hate you, even more than they otherwise do (if they otherwise do), even if they only reason you give them is winning football games. They will look for, and find, anything you do like this and blow it up. You are held to a higher standard, and you should WANT to be held to a higher standard. And just like people use you as an example with regards to all the things you do so well, you should expect to have an example made of you when you engage in a behavior, common or not, that needs to stop.

 

The CBS broadcast does not show beyond a shadow of a doubt anything Georgia did that was quite this egregious (of course with the focus towards the ball at the end of the play, the usual almost immediate cut-away from the big picture in between plays, etc., it definitely doesn’t prove that something this bad didn’t happen the other way either). If UGA players really were intentionally trying to cause serious harm to you or your teammates, you should stand up for yourself and your brothers, and do it well. But there are ways that you can very firmly stand up for yourself without trying to cause serious harm in return.  “Butbutbutbut they did it first!!!” is not an excuse for doing it yourself, whether or not they did. And Georgia’s lineman would not be a terrible teammate if they didn’t “put a helmet into Spikes knee” in return, they’d be a terrible and dirty sportsman. Again, stand up for yourself and your teammates the right way.

 

So you think Georgia players have been acting more than a little cheap and dirty lately. Fine, let them act that way. Think about the 41-17 scoreboard, the 17-3 record the past 20 years, and how pathetic it is that they are now resorting to uniform gimmicks and other nonsense in a hopeless attempt to gain some traction in this “rivalry.”

 

I put “rivalry” in quotes because . . . well its 17-3 in the past 20 years for goodness sakes! Georgia is 17-3 against Vanderbilt in the past 20 years. They are 17-3 against Kentucky in the past 20 years. Does Georgia consider Vanderbilt an arch rival? Does it consider Kentucky a vaunted nemesis? Of course they don’t.

 

If Georgia players are really gouging you and your teammates in the eye, if Ealey really spit in your face, whatever it is, just smile and remember that he might as well be playing for Kentucky or Vandy, if that’s what it takes to calm down. You, and the football program you joined, have (has) proven yourself (itself) far better than him and the football program he joined, and you should be better than him in how you conduct yourself between plays and off the field as well. There is no need to come down to his level and act like a thug just because you think he is acting like a thug. And that message should have been sent by Meyer with at least a full game suspension.

 

Although Spikes has participated in his fair share of foolery (see 2008, the punt vs. LSU, the bit of extra-curricular activity with Moreno, etc.), this is a first-time offense for this sort of far more serious act, and he is not “Junior-Rosecrans dirty”. Trust me, if stuff this bad had happened before, it also would have been all over youtube, with the same calls for the electric chair from the more dramatic of the Florida haters. I also understand it was in the heat of the moment and wasn’t an isolated incident, and you have to evaluate in context and with provocation in mind, whether or not the provocation was the same act of eye gouging or was spitting, trash-talking, or whatever. I’m sure the film (not the CBS broadcast) that Slive and Meyer have paint more of the provocation picture, or lack thereof, than we’ll be allowed to see.

 

22-year old kids do some dumb *&#$. With the first-time nature and context in mind, I would be personally satisfied with a full game suspension, harsh internal punishment (I know someone who works in the athletic department and has seen it, you don’t want any of Meyer’s private internal punishments, trust me), and an ultimatum that another such incident results in immediate removal from the team, because this type of behavior doesn’t reflect who we want to be. I’d feel the same way if it was Spikes or Sorrentino.

 

If someone wants to argue for 2 or 3 games, we can amicably agree to disagree. If someone wants to argue for less than a full game for something of this nature, or for something extreme like removal from the team, considering the context, I won’t agree to disagree with you, I think you are wrong. And I think Meyer is wrong here, no matter what prior provocation he saw on the game tape. This is just a little too serious of an act for a slap on the wrist.


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I respect your position

and wish that I felt the same way, but I don’t. I also wanted a 1 game suspension, simply because it’s Vandy and it would spare me the personal headaches of reading the moronic ramblings of UGA fans.

However, I can’t buy this part:

" And just like people use you as an example with regards to all the things you do so well, you should expect to have an example made of you when you engage in a behavior, common or not, that needs to stop."

I gave up pretending to care about “class” or “standards” a while ago. Winning makes me happy. Seeing a UF player poke an UGA player in the eye does not make me happy, but it doesn’t make me upset either. So, and this is just my personal feelings, winning is at least 1000x as important as playing with “sportsmanship” or “class” or anything like that. I just don’t care. I don’t want to see us turn into 1980s Miami, but if that’s the cost of ruling college football, so be it. I don’t care what any UGA fan cares about anything, and I don’t care what the national perception is. Scoreboard, scoreboard, scoreboard. It’s all there is.

by Giant Catfish on Nov 2, 2009 8:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also, and this is just a guess...

but I bet many fans, Gator or otherwise, feel the same way I do, they just don’t want to admit to it. I understand that. I pretended to care for many years. So, UF rivals, dance on the field, do the Gator chomp, go crazy. It’ll probably upset in the moment, but I won’t remember that feeling a year later. I will remember the score, though.

by Giant Catfish on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel exactly the same way

Especially when you consider that arguments about “class” and “sportsmanship” are often just ways for losers to make themselves feel better about their failings.

by wangalusa on Nov 3, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no

I dont feel this way, winning is number 1, but at what costs? not my character…and condoning dirty play just to win, is not how I was raised.

I am all about defending myself, but not in that manner.

by Hook85 on Nov 7, 2009 5:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

gave up pretending to care about "class" or "standards" a while ago. Winning makes me happy. Seeing a UF player poke an UGA player in the eye does not make me happy, but it doesn’t make me upset either. So, and this is just my personal feelings, winning is at least 1000x as important as playing with "sportsmanship" or "class" or anything like that. I just don’t care. I don’t want to see us turn into 1980s Miami, but if that’s the cost of ruling college football, so be it. I don’t care what any UGA fan cares about anything, and I don’t care what the national perception is. Scoreboard, scoreboard, scoreboard. It’s all there is.

Catfish…I don’t know you…Im not sure we have ever crossed paths on any SB blog…But you are a disgrace to your fanbase. I hope to god other UF fans don’t feel the same.

I gave up pretending to care about "class" or "standards" a while ago.

Holy Shit man…You don’t care about having class or standards?? God man i hope you don’t have kids. Football aside, the only thing that matters in life is living with Class and having HIGH standards. If you feel these things can just be cast aside over a football game, you have some very serious problems.

So, and this is just my personal feelings, winning is at least 1000x as important as playing with "sportsmanship" or "class" or anything like that.

Again..HOLY SHIT! Are you being serious with that comment? Is winning really everything to you? I swear…I almost stopped being an Alabama fan cause we couldn’t clean ourselves up. I can admit my team had a problem…Can you?

So, and this is just my personal feelings, winning is at least 1000x as important as playing with "sportsmanship" or "class" or anything like that. I just don’t care.

Your statement here speaks volumes about you as a person. Winning ISN’T everything. Doing so with class and acting like you’ve been there before is how REAL men do it. If you’re really “ok”, with what happened on Saturday (and by your statement that it doesn’t really make you happy or sad shows you are ok with it) then i really feel bad for you. If you do have kids, then i really hope that you teach them that doing things the RIGHT way is in fact the RIGHT WAY!

I don’t want to see us turn into 1980s Miami, but if that’s the cost of ruling college football, so be it. I don’t care what any UGA fan cares about anything, and I don’t care what the national perception is. Scoreboard, scoreboard, scoreboard. It’s all there is.

Once again im shocked. I really can’t believe you feel that it’s ok to play like a chump, as long as you are ruling college football…unbelievable…I really hope your comment above is sarcastic…Im REALLY hoping that is true…If its not then I don’t know what to say. What’s even more scary is that “wangalusa” agreed with you and that no one on this site straightened you out…To the “managers” on this site…You should be ashamed…
I normally don’t go around and call people out but I just felt like someone had to say something…Anyway, Roll Tide and I hope to GOD we meet you guys in Atlanta…

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Nov 3, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I certainly feel chastened

by your 5,000 words of self-righteous pomposity.

God man I hope YOU don’t have kids, because when they’re old enough to think for themselves they’ll realize what an insufferable prick you are and you’ll die alone in a home somewhere.

Lighten up, Francis.

by wangalusa on Nov 3, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Self rightous…Really? So thinking that you shouldn’t defend what spikes did and hold him to a higher standard is being Self Rightous?? Again..Really?

Its one thing to say, “What he did was wrong and i wish he had gotten a tougher suspension, but shit like this happens when you’re on top”…But thats not what is being said here…

And what i will teach my child when she gets older is that if you do things the right way, shit like this won’t happen to you…You can call me a prick but I can see right from wrong…I also know that saying “Winning is everything” is the wrong way. Its really an easy concept.

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Nov 3, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is all very rich

coming from a Bama fan.

by wangalusa on Nov 3, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who im a fan of has nothing to do with it…I have never defended anything that Alabama has been involved with as it pertains to the NCAA. I guess the closest thing would be i kinda thought the textbook thing was stupid…

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Nov 3, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh god

I’m about to defend an Alabama fan. What the hell?!

Look, there’s a big difference between a booster cheating for your program, someone giving you an academic boost that you don’t decline, the general stuff Alabama has been punished for, and trying to hurt another player, no matter what the rational behind it.

It’s pathetic to see some of the Florida fan’s defense of the action. Defend your player — which you’re valid in doing. I don’t think Brandon Spikes is a bad person — but you guys keep defending the actual action itself, which is bothersome to say the least. Do you see a Georgia fan defending the late hit against Tebow like you guys are defending this action?

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Nov 4, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think they are defending poking a guy in the eyes, but they are defending Spikes’ thought that he is defending his teammates. The fact is that it is impossible to understand a player’s motivation when they do anything, aside from holding a guy who just beat them. Also, I really don’t think any SEC school can say they are clean. Well, except for Vandy.

mlmintampa
UF C/O 06

by mlmintampa on Nov 4, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

*points down*

There. That’s what is irritating to me. That’s a very common belief, apparently, held by Florida fans. “omg u don’t know what he did!!!”

I do believe that Brandon Spikes was just trying to defend his boys on the field. He’s not a dirty player, he’s an emotional player. That still doesn’t excuse his actions and he deserves the punishment for his actions, but I’ll agree that he’s not a thug 100%.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Nov 5, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Get a life

There. That’s what is irritating to me.

I understand rivalries and all that, but I have noticed a lot of your comments (insults)latley, and its clear you have some anger issues. Aparently hating the Gators and us fans is your way of dealing with them.

by Hook85 on Nov 8, 2009 6:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What bothers me

is the kind of sloppy thinking you see in bobo’s post here.

I wouldn’t defend Spikes if there were evidence that he a) tried to “gouge” Ealey’s eyes; b) succeeded in doing so.

However, there is no evidence for either one of these things, only supposition and speculation by people who already hate the Gators and the frantic circle-jerk that is the American sports media.

by wangalusa on Nov 4, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Watch the video! Look at his admission!! He admitted to trying to do it, though with motivation that wasn’t just “rawr smash!!” He did try to do that.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Nov 5, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“I accept responsibility for my actions and I accept the consequences of my actions,” [Spikes] said. “I would like to apologize to my team and the coaching staff and Washaun Ealey. Football is a very physical and emotional game, but there is no excuse for my actions.”

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Nov 5, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where in the world

do you see in that statement that he admits to trying to gouge Ealey’s eyes? He admits what he did was wrong, but he doesn’t say what you say he says.

You’re reaching here.

by wangalusa on Nov 5, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So

He admits to doing something wrong, but not anything worth being mad over? here’s what he did wrong: he put his fingertips really, really close to a dudes eyes, obviously while meaning to do that.

Let’s just go hypothetical here; what if ealey’s head had been kneed or something while Brandon had his hand in dude’s facemask and ealey’s head had shot forwards, impaling Brandon’s fingers on Ealey’s eyes? go ahead, jam your finger into your eye really hard.

That’s the sort of situation Brandon risked doing by putting his hand inside another player’s facemask — it’s why they wear facemasks to, you know, mask the face. Will it take someone losing an eye for you to think that it’s wrong to do that?

Besides which, comments from the team being like ‘they were doing it first’ lead EVERYONE WITH AN OUNCE OF LOGIC to understand what he was doing. You’re just trying to defend your team way, way too hard here.

I’m not saying Spikes, or Florida, is a thug / full of thugs. I’m saying that these sort of actions, now that they are being made public, should have a hard stance taken against them. So chillax. The reason that a big deal is being made out of this is because cameras caught this action live, the announcers noticed it, and talked about it. That sort of thing happens, especially when you are a player that always has a camera on you. Now, Florida fans need to man-up (like Brandon Spikes did with his suspension) and admit to a wrong-doing and move on.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Nov 5, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

I mean, a meteor could have struck the field while Spikes had his hand in Ealey’s facemask, resulting in his fingers being driven right through the back of Ealey’s skull. The horror.

I have yet to see a single Florida fan here, or anywhere else, claim there was no wrongdoing on Spikes’ part. The argument made, over and over again, is that his actions were not as horrible as they’ve been made out to be. This distinction is really not that hard to understand, yet it continues to be lost on you and various other internet scolds.

But feel free to continue setting up those straw men and knockin’ em down.

by wangalusa on Nov 5, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Its football

Do i think Spikes intentional did it, no. And if this were any other team like say TCU, it wouldn’t have been caught on the tapes and people in the media wouldn’t have made this so dramatic. If you’re going to suspend someone then lets make it wear we stand firm in the ruling and not pussy foot on dishing out punishments. I think Gator supporters and hators both are on the far sides of the spectrum, in which the middle; The Grey zone is where the truth is.

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by TheTealDeal on Nov 7, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We can't judge others, unless we judge ourselves

Whose riding the high horse?

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
Keeper of the "That's what she said"

by TheTealDeal on Nov 7, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Nov 5, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

while i find that to be a hillarious picture

i believe you have missed the point on this one. i really dont feel like going over it again ad naseum, but many florida fans have simply said that what spikes did (although wrong) were not the most horrific thing to ever happen in the sport of football (like many other fans seem to believe). you do not know his intent, so to say his intent was to scratch his eyes out, fix washauns contact, or wipe dirt off the fac mask bars, you dont really know. of course spikes is gonna apologize for it, hes getting killed by the media and tools alike. does that mean that he is admitting to “seriously injuring” another player? hell no. hes apologizing for doing something that he shouldnt have done, which is stick your finger in the mask of another player. that simply shouldnt happen. but im guessing when your playing a team in a game that is very chippy where tebow gets laid out for no reason, spikes has his helmet ripped off twice and supposedly spit on, you might get a lil emotional an do stupid things. and i dont really think anyone can sit here and judge him for it. and i dont think what he did was all that bad. on a list of punching someone after a game, or stepping on another guys hand or face when they are on the ground (intentionally), or punching another guy in the nuts, i think sticking your hand in a face mask (that resulted in nothing, probably because spikes came to his senses) is way down on the naughty things to do in a football game list.

and to answer your original question about uga fans defending the late hit, yes i have not only seen uga fans, but apparently crazy ass bama fans think that hit was fine and dandy.

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones

by silverstreak3k on Nov 8, 2009 4:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

Was his intent to blind him? I doubt that, maybe make him feel uncomfortable, but blinding him would take a whole lot of force. according to ealey, it wasnt at that level.

So was it cheap and dirty for what he did?Yes.
He has learned his lesson, and hopefully next time hell figure out a way to not get caught. lol. Really though, if opponents were playing dirty, and you were getting cheap shots…Is it that hard for you to imagine losing your cool and doing something dumb?

Either way get F over it, move on haters.

by Hook85 on Nov 8, 2009 5:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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