NCAA To FSU Football: Forfeit Games?
by mlmintampa on Mar 6, 2009 12:46 PM EST
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From the St. Pete Times, the NCAA could be dropping the hammer (or tomahawk?) on FSU athletics;
Florida State faces vacating wins in multiple sports, including football, the NCAA has ruled in the case involving a massive academic misconduct scandal that has rocked the entire athletic department, the St. Petersburg Times has learned.
In a report set to be released this afternoon, the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions said that the school must vacate all wins in which 61 student-athletes in 10 sports – football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's swimming, men's and women's track and field, baseball, softball and men's golf – competed while ineligible during 2006 and 2007. Individual records of the student-athletes also will be vacated. That includes regular season, postseason and any NCAA championship competition.
Sweet Robert Cade, that does not look good for FSU. But what makes it even more hilarious is that Bobby Bowden's challenge with Joe Paterno as to who will live the longest is now mired in the cheating scandal. Bowden could lose games he thought were won. As of today, Paterno leads Bowden 383 to 382 wins.
When we first wrote about this, FSU claimed rogue tutors were to blame. The NCAA, reportedly, has called BS on that.
The NCAA charged that FSU failed to monitor certain aspects of its Athletics Academic Support Services office and didn't take sufficient steps to ensure that there were no improprieties, steps that included failing to review a report that indicated student-athletes in the music course did better than other students.
Gee, this is terrible for FSU. Without those Emerald Nuts and Champs Sports Bowls, FSU would have accomplished nothing in the last few years. Too bad.
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Hell yes! This is a slap on the wrist!
Taking wins away from Bowden will speed up his exit! :) Great day!
We won’t even feel the schollie reductions. Full class this year, here we come.
Gator fans should be sad, this is a great day for FSU!
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
You expected a postseason ban?
Seriously?
Did you also think we were getting the death penalty?
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
Not sure about official postseason bans
But I feel confident that your unofficial current BCS bowl ban will continue for years to come!!
We don’t need NCAA penaties to weaken FSU….y’all have done a pretty fine of that on your own.
You are still a non-factor….just a non-factor with a couple less scholarships to give.
Really? This college football thing doesn't go in cycles, does it?
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
I’m enjoying the FSU fans only looking at football. TEN SPORTS are being penalized. Opposing fans might be pissed about the relatively small loss of scholarships, but the grants-in-aid hurt too, especially in baseball. This is an epic scandal in the reach it has had.
By the way, I hope the next scandal is FSU boosters filling the pockets of recruits and the NCAA can make SMU football look like kids stuff.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
Not sure if serious about the last sentence . . . . .
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
We can dream. Actually, Bama football should have gotten the SMU Death Penalty.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
I'm not really a fan of the death penalty.
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
you just
made yourself sound real stupid with that statement…just sayin..
When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.
One rise and subsequent fall
Does not constitute a cycle. To have a cycle – you need ups and downs. You need to prove that you can recover from the downs…I think it’s over.
I think it’s over.
wow . . . . . you’re not a homer, are you?
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
Besides, what would make you think that we would never rise again?
Aren’t you the guy that predicted Urban would win like 7 – 12 national championships in Gainesville?
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
he's got 2....
he’s done almost more at UF in 4 years that BB at FSU in like 30+ just sayin…again….
When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.
because
You’ve lost 21 games over the past 4 years. Get used to 9-4…that’s about as good as it’s going to be for you now that the ACC has added Miami and VA Tech. If those teams had been in the conference during your huge run against former ACC patsies, how many of those ACC titles would you have really won? I think Miami would have owned half of them….
If Bobby has some victories tainted then Spurrier should have....
his only national title vacated as well because of the Tank Black scandal. Its only fair, since Spurrier didn’t know what was “going on” as well. Also at least with our scandal our best players weren’t involved in it while your entire team was (Fred Taylor, Reidel Anthony, Ike Hilliard, Jacquez Green, Jevon Kearse, Johnny Rutledge, Michael Peterson).
Stop pretending that you guys run a clean program it just so happens that we got caught. If that semi-literate Chris Rainey is an Academic-All American then something is going on. Also, our football players don’t need restraining orders.
"You play to win the game, you don't just play to play" - Herm Edwards
He's taking sex ed. I doubt his classes are crazy difficult.
And the Carl Johnson thing isn’t funny.
I know BS is a young fan
Words of advice – beware of Human Sexuality at UF. It may sound like a cool class, but it is pretty difficult and not at all fun. After seeing a bunch of friends struggle, I never took the class. Apparently, nobody told Rainey and he had to find out the hard way.
If they still offer Exceptional People – sign up….it is far and away the best class I have ever taken.
I took Math for Liberal Arts and got a C+ (which was really due to discovering hot chicks and gin). I took college algebra and got a B+. Sometimes you do better in the hard classes. My GPA in 3000 level and higher was 3.8.
Also, if you are on Bright Futures, double major or go for the masters. You get more bang for your buck.
One more thing, DON’T GRADUATE IN FOUR YEARS. Take a semester as an intern, go overseas, or just stall so you can stay in Gainesville a bit longer. Actually, if you go to any good college, 4.5 or 5 years isn’t a bad deal if you can afford it.
By the way, this is UF spring break. I was reminded of that when I drove to Gainesville today for business and there was no traffic. And they’re building something where the main fountain was. What the hell, Machen?
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
Development
Not sure what they are building now, but hopefully they got rid of the fountain. Fountains are for children and bums. That is why is is such a centerpiece of FSU’s campus.
FSU football player = riot at student union
UF football player = shooting guns like an Iraqi celebrating the fall of Saddam/living to Tuesday
Edge to Florida. Bitches.
In all seriousness, comparing the class of UF and FSU players is a waste of time. We all know neither recruits Boy Scouts. We can all agree though that Miami recruits are awful.
But look at the Big Picture. The education of 61 kids has been ruined by FSU administrators who told them it was ok to cheat on a test. This wasn’t a lack of institutional control. This was institutional control because the administration told these kids to cheat. FSU athletics violated the only thing they have to do; produce productive citizens. For all the pissing between opposing fans and FSU fans, the only cheating scandal close to this is New Mexico. And I don’t see any Lobo fans on the boards.
That said, if you are an FSU fan and you are happy with the relative lack of punishment, you are messed up. You have admitted your university is nothing but a minor league franchise. 61 kids went to FSU to play sports and get an education. Not only have some of them lost an National Championship, the ultimate for any college athlete, but they have lost their chance at a legitimate education. Instead of taking away scholarships from kids who look to that as their only route to an education, heads should roll at FSU. When an administration takes advantage of students, they have no business in education. And remember FSU fans, you are a place of (relatively) higher learning. Not just a football school.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
Speaking of bad guys
Did you hear that Hornsby got arrested again? He ALLEGEDLY (see how it works Nolefan?) beat up some guy with brass knuckles in a McDonalds drive-thru. There were no details available ias to whether he was so angry because the FSU grad messed up his order at the restaurant…..
He is the most dispicable player ever to wear O&B.
There is something going on...
It’s called studying. Maybe your team of illiterates should try it sometime. That’s why Greg Reid is such a great fit for you guys. He is having difficulty qualifiying…but he knows once he does, he’ll have all the “extra help” he needs at FSU !
You’d better stick to your “you’ve never gone undefeated” argument because that’s pretty much all you have left. Don’t try to compare academics at UF to FSU. you’re embarassing yourself.
Also, the restraining order? Surely you’ve got something better than that?! Your players don’t need restraining oders because they are soft. Most of their girlfriends could probably take them.
Wow
Thats one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I can’t believe you are trying to justify that rapist/pyschopaths actions by calling our players soft. So if you don’t commit date rape and stalk people you are therefore soft? You seriously should proof read before you post. The preview button is an amazing tool.
If thats the kind of thing you have to be to have a team of “tough” and “hard nosed” players then I will take a 9-4 season any day of the weak over an 11-1 allegedly National Champion season.
"You play to win the game, you don't just play to play" - Herm Edwards
We still get the trophy.
Until another recruit knocks it over. Speaking of which, when is Charles going to announce?
Speaking of proof reading
You may want to practice what you preach. Not only have none of our players been convicted of date rape and/or stalking, none of them have even been charged with such a crime.
Calling one of our players a stalker and a rapist based upon the heresay of a single ex-girlfriend with an obvious axe to grind is not only irresponsible, but also libelous. But no surprise there, as your law and journalism schools are about as weak as your football team.
Tebow is a hard nosed player too – he put up 90 points on your weak team in the past two seasons, which includes the “alleged” national championship – alleged of course because it’s not real just because every legitimate poll in America put us #1. I’m sure Utah would have crushed us, right?
Are you joking?
Its a damn blog you moron, I’m under an alias and there are no legal consequences on this site. I can say what I want, I can accuse somebody of what I want I can say anything about them. There is no such thing as libel and slander on the blogs and message boards and there is no such thing as real and legal consequences on blogs.
I have never said that Utah would beat Florida, I just said that they deserved to be number one based on what they accomplished. It seems that voters vote on who are the most deserving teams rather than who are the best teams. From the last couple of seasons, its not the best two teams in that game its the two most deserving teams. If it was the two best teams, it would have been Florida and Texas, Ohio State and Georgia/USC, Ohio State and Michigan the previous three seasons in that title game. Teams are voted in that title game based on who deserves to be there so why can’t you vote who deserves to be number one after the bowl season.
Also, please refrain from using bowl results from the past couple of seasons as rebuttals. It doesn’t matter that Michigan got crushed by ‘SC or that Texas barely beat an “overrated” Ohio State team, it doesn’t matter Florida showed up to play against Ohio State and Ohio State didn’t reciprocate. If you were really honest with yourself the best team in ‘06 was probably USC, but you lose to UCLA on the last game of the season you don’t “deserve” to play for the national title. Take bowl results with grain of salt, its about wanting to be there and having motivation. The two best teams over the course of those seasons were Michigan & OSU, USC & Georgia/USC, Florida & Texas.
In ‘07 it wasn’t the two most deserving teams it was the two least undeserving teams.
"You play to win the game, you don't just play to play" - Herm Edwards
That's a pretty cynical way of looking at it
I feel secure that we were the best team in the nation last season. Utah deserved nothing. They played one tough game all season and caught a huge break in that one. They would have lost 4 games playing our schedule.
To say that Michigan and Ohio State were the 2 best teams in ‘06 is laughable. They were both amazingly overrated. We exposed Ohio State. They were no less overrated in ’06 than they were this past season. They play a weak conference schedule and don’t have a championship game. If the PAC 10 and the Big 10 want to stop being passed over for the BCSCG, then they need to play like the big boys and establish a championship game and get rid of the silly Rose Bowl ties, They are apparently stuck in the 70s when both the Big 10 and the Rose Bowl were both relevant.
“I’m under an alias and there are no legal consequences on this site. I can say what I want, I can accuse somebody of what I want I can say anything about them. There is no such thing as libel and slander on the blogs and message boards and there is no such thing as real and legal consequences on blogs.”
You are correct sir. In fact, one of the terrible things about blogs is that people can make statements and hide behind them using a screen name. But guess what? You’re on the wrong Gator blog, one run by a former communications major who won’t allow people to abuse the First Amendment.
And you’ll have to go to a third screen name because you just got banned on this one too. Thanks for reading.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
Plus, you could track his IP Address, assuming he isn't smart enough to use a proxy.
If someone had a really bloodthirsty set of lawyers. Or they could find out your name from the email address you used to register. Nothing is impossible to track.
You would press charges about something said on an internet site? Serious?
Well, could I charge you for this?
I couldn’t care less if your star running back gets caught with a weapon and MaryJane again.
posted on Nov. 26, 1:30 pm.
Slander!
Kill a fly with an axe - Mickey Andrews, his 1998 playbook
But he did get caught with a weapon and marijuana.
Technically, not slander. And it’s creepy that you tracked that down.
awww man
You shouldn’t have banned the whipping boy. I was just getting ready to direct him to “FSU playes are soft – Exhibit A”
http://withleather.uproxx.com/2009/03/buccaneers-gf-stabs-him-with-scissors
Their girlfriends whip their ass. Isn’t that the guy who called out Tebow before the ’07 beat down?
Yep.
I was going to mention that. And to win the argument about who is the better school academically: http://circus.fsu.edu/
Winna, winna, chicken dinna.
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