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Bernie Machen Thinks Your School Sucks

Sometimes UF President Bernie Machen does things the student body and young alumni don't like. He seems detached from the problems of students, he wants to bring back alcohol laws from the 1920's, and he has cut some of UF's oldest programs (Liberal Arts, IFAS) deeper than research ones (Medicine, Engineering).

But the man is hellbent on making UF a top-10 school. In addition to hiring Urban Meyer and being at the helm of the Golden Age of The Florida Gators, Machen knows the importance of a strong athletic program. While most intellectuals would discount sports, Machen knows the self-sustaining UAA is a cash cow, that pulls in support for UF academics as well.

He's also a huge Gator homer.

From the Gainesville Sun (HT: J-Fenn), Machen's US News and World Report ballot of colleges and universities reveals just how far this homerism goes. Machen called UF "Distinguished" (the highest ranking, given 5 points under the US News formula), along with several Ivies, Cal and Michigan. The next best, "Strong," included Penn and Duke. In third place, "Good," was Georgetown, FSU and Miami. Getting only two points was USF and UCF, which Machen lumped into the "Adequate" group.

First of all, while I love UF, we are not better than Duke or Georgetown or as good as Harvard and Yale. Those are elite private universities which have not been choked out by their State Governor, like UF has. It is impossible for UF to be that good until the State of Florida makes a serious commitment to education in all economic climates.

Secondly, FSU sucks way worse than Miami and USF. FSU's medical school is about a decade old. Miami and USF have had med schools for decades. Miami is famous for their spine research, USF for cancer care, FSU for convincing ABC to run 'Seminole Firewater' on live TV. If I was a Miami fan, I'd be pissed someone thought UM was as good as FSU, academically. I will give you that medical programs do not guarantee a good school, but can you name me a good medical program at a crappy school? Plus, medical programs bring in the big bucks, which is why UF and USF are treading water as FSU sinks under the weight of State budget cuts.

I love that Machen thinks we're that good, and I hope when my kids attend UF (and they will), getting in will be harder than when I attended. It will be a long way to go to the top. But it's a lot shorter trip than it will be for FSU, Miami or USF.

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Oh, Bernie – you ranked UF above my alma mater… and even so, the consensus put UF 41 spots behind. I’m just not sure what to say now… (except that I’m a Gator by birth – Shands ’80, woohoo! – rather than education.)

Hmm – also, hasn’t UF been lurking in the 49-ish range for at least the past decade? I remember seeing them in that vicinity when I was in the college-hunting business.

by peachy rex on Jun 17, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Among publics, they have moved up. But I think they’ve been in the 40s overall.

mlmintampa
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by mlmintampa on Jun 17, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say UF's Law school is about on par with Michigan's.

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I take the leash that's leading me
I'm bleeding me, whoa!

by Patssuck456 on Jun 19, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh...kay...

These would’ve been better served as FanShots.

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by bdalebs on Jun 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

k still learning how to use this

by chaucer on Jun 22, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem.

Just for future reference, if it doesn’t apply to the topic of the thread, you probably shouldn’t post it.

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by bdalebs on Jun 22, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thos rankings are fixed.

Florida is overrated, UM is underrated and so is Florida State. USF is catching up, but how in the world does that school compare to Florida State in your opinion? Also, UCF will be an up and coming school to watch out for.

Just wants to beat the Gators

by DA-2 on Jun 25, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Aside from Machen’s rating, UF is ranked properly in the top-50 overall. UM is a little behind because they lack the depth of programs, but still a very good school.

As for FSU, USF and UCF; FSU better watch out because USF is hellbent on passing them. They also have a lot of support in Tampa for technology and medical research, in addition to football and joining the Big East. They also have multiple campuses. A lot of Tampa kids are staying home because they know USF is getting better. UCF is trying to copy this model.

Meanwhile FSU is stuck in neutral, hoping to get saved by a State Legislature that does not give a flying fuck. Tallahassee does not have the infrastructure of Tampa or Orlando, hurting FSU. USF and UCF also are on huge campuses with land to use, where FSU is closed in by crappy neighborhoods and the State Capitol. I couldn’t believe how their engineering and radio buildings were nowhere near campus.

In 20 years, it will be UF, UM, USF, UCF, FSU.

mlmintampa
UF C/O 06

by mlmintampa on Jun 26, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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