Scouts Rip Apart Tim Tebow

by mlmintampa on Jan 28, 2010 12:48 PM EST in Football Comment 22 comments

From today's Boston Globe, a collection of quotes about Tim Tebow and his NFL prospects. Which are not good right now.

"I actually don’t think he’s that hard to evaluate at all,’’ said a high-ranking college scout for an NFC team. "To me, he’s just not a very good quarterback prospect. Now, if you want to rework his mechanics, his release, try to improve his accuracy, then you see a guy with this big frame that can throw...He’s a big-time project, no doubt.’’

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"With a guy like him, you can’t say he can’t do it,’’ said an AFC college scouting director. "He’s got a strong arm, he can throw a spiral. But he’s going to take time. With his mechanics, with his long delivery, he’ll have to shorten things up. He may never be a top quarterback, but you don’t know...With his type of character and the way he approaches things, you can’t put it out of the question. But it will take some time.’’

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"He can’t play quarterback in the NFL, I’m convinced of it,’’ ESPN director of college scouting Todd McShay said. "From his delivery to his footwork to his accuracy, you have to absolutely strip him down and build him back up. And it’s too late.’’

So say that he doesn’t make it. Then what?

One veteran NFL personnel man said, "Then, he’s out of the league.’’

But not everyone agrees. The AFC scouting director compared him, athletically, to former Titans Pro Bowl tight end Frank Wycheck. An AFC college scout brought up ex-Tampa fullback Mike Alstott. McShay said he was "the best short-yardage runner in college football.’’

What this guy isn’t, however, is Kordell Stewart or Pat White.

"If you put him at another position, he wouldn’t be an elite athlete,’’ the AFC college scouting director said. "As a quarterback, he’s a really good athlete and strong and physical. But if you say, ‘OK, how’s he compared to the running backs out there?’ He’s not more athletic than any of the running backs out there and he’s certainly not more athletic than a lot of great tight ends.’’

Then he suggested that Tebow would be excellent on punt coverage.

Tebow on punt coverage? He won a Heisman! The jump pass! Actually, if Tebow was on punt coverage, he would be so bitter, he would try to murder people on the run back. Tebow, to his credit, is backing off his stubbornness to only play quarterback.

“If I can’t work out as a quarterback, or while I’m waiting, then yes, I would help the team any way I could,’’ he said. “[Working at other positions] is something I haven’t really thought about. I’m not going to train to be ready for that. But if I go out there, hopefully I’ll be enough of an athlete so I won’t look too dumb out there.’’

I thought it was curious how the NFL Network did not discuss Tebow as much at the end of yesterday's Senior Bowl practice. But maybe it is because they don't want to keep hyping a guy the NFL has decided is not an NFL quarterback.

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Todd Mcshay continues to astound me with his ignorance.

Tebow in the right system will make a difference from day one, end of story.

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by Sid Bream's Moustache on Jan 28, 2010 2:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Fuck Todd Mcshay and Mel Kiper.

I dont understand how they can possibly say that they know for a fact that someone wont be good in the NFL…what just because they have the title of “NFL scout” for ESPN? big whoopdi freakin doo. i could do their job…in fact any monkey with half a brain and speech abilities could, just put a camera in front of them. No one should listen to what these bigheaded analysts say. Only time will tell. They all said the same things about Alex Smith and look at him now, although hes not the best QB in the league, he finds ways to win with the tools hes got. Its what good players do. These scouts opinions of players dont put points on the board. The players proving them wrong do.

by gatorempire127 on Jan 28, 2010 3:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

You know.....

I visit this site at least once a day. Why do we let this guy continue to post such negative junk about Tebow?

by Gaturprincess on Jan 28, 2010 3:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I visit this site at least once a day.

Obviously not because you missed us relaying Peter King’s glowing comments about Tebow. And you missed the return of Evil Tebow. (Which is only negative for those who face Evil Tebow.) Those posts were just this week. Here’s our “The New Tim Tebow” post from January 5. By the way, the “negative junk” was printed in the Boston Globe and based on quotes from NFL scouts. Perhaps you should direct your attention to them. If you want to debate me saying “Which are not good right now,” in regards to Tebow as an NFL QB, that’s fine. But that’s the facts right now.
I don’t know if that is what you’re aiming at, but don’t doubt my love of my school or my team. Thanks for reading, how ever many times a day it might be.

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by mlmintampa on Jan 28, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's relaying information

It’s not his fault if that information is negative. These quotes are from people that are paid to judge football players, their opinions (albeit some I disagree with) are worth relaying. It’s not like he’s coming out and saying he doesn’t like the guy. It’s not his fault if the kid has a bad week.

If people were raving about Tim Tebow he’d be posting those quotes, unfortunately he had a bad week, so people are going to write negative things about him.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 29, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No....

I didn’t missed that at all….stand by my opinion though…and I am an alumni too. But, I can’t seem to get a grip on your perspective. But, you are entitled to it.

by Gaturprincess on Jan 28, 2010 6:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

So

Get owned pricess. The news is the news whether its positive or negative. Dont like it? go to myspace.

by gatorempire127 on Jan 29, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Tebow will be fine

And I will laugh and laugh at McShay and Kiper when he is a Pro-Bowler every year. Tim’s motion already looks better than it did two days ago (I was lucky enough to get off work early enough to catch the South practice again) and you know that he has the work ethic to try and fix any lingering mechanical problems.
The thing that worries me most about him is how long it takes him to get his feet set to throw it. Brown and Robinson seem to have the ball out a good half second or so before Tim does, and in the NFL, that’s a big difference.

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by colombo259 on Jan 28, 2010 9:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

TE more athletic then Tebow? And who would that be?

Who the hell said hes not an elite athlete? And then say hes just a good qb. What a bunch of crap. I am fine with people saying Tebow doesnt fit the mold of a NFL QB and they dont think he can make it in the NFL. But now they are dissing his athletic abilities. What TE are they refering to that is so much more atheletic then Tebow? Our own Herndadez? Tebow is much stronger, and I wouldnt be suprised if he was faster and more agile. Tebow probly sucks at running routes or blocking OLB, DE…but that just brings us back to why he cant play QB. If he didnt have such great ELITEEEE ATHLETISM. Then why and the hell are they always talking about him? Its clear they dont like the way he throws, so what is his upside? According to whoever said that about him he doesnt have any.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Jan 29, 2010 7:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Antonio Gates is more athletic.

Vernon Davis by a mile. He would be an average tight end.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 1, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I like you Hook85....

by Gaturprincess on Jan 29, 2010 11:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

hey hey...I like you too

haha

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Jan 30, 2010 5:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with the princess

Your kinda the man Captain Hook.

And i only know of maybe 3 that are more athletic…. Antonio Gates, Jason Witten, and probly Anthony Gonzales, maybe one more i dont know im havin a brain fart on NFL TE’s

by gatorempire127 on Jan 30, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Anthony Gonzales...

Is a wide receiver for the Colts, not a TE.

by tbcook on Jan 30, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe Tony Gonzales?

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain

by Chiefho on Feb 1, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats what i meant.

Same name different guys. I forgot about vernon davis too thats a good one.

by gatorempire127 on Feb 1, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

At tight end

If you want a guy who looks comparable, see Desmond Clark of the Bears.. I know that’s probably not what you want to hear, but he’s had a very solid career. No one would complain if that’s what Tebow became, they are almost the exact same size, Clark can block, run routes well and catch which I think Tebow could do. Very reliable, but isn’t too flashy and can run guys over once in a while. That’s the kind of production he’d probably have at TE, and there would be no shame in it. Very solid career.

He just would not compare to the upper level guys though like Vernon Davis, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten, Tony Gonzalez, Dallas Clark, Jeremy Shockey, Owen Daniels, Greg Olsen, etc.. He just doesn’t have the elite speed these guys possess. Vernon Davis ran a 4.38 40 and benches 460 lbs, that blows Tebow out of the water.

Tebow is not close to that, hell, even Owen Daniels ran a 4.5 and Greg Olson ran 4.47, much faster than Tebow.

That’s why I think he needs to try to work out at QB as long as he can because at tight end he just isn’t fast enough to be a top end guy, if it was 1985 he’d be great at tight end, but the position has changed. At QB if he can get his fundamentals right he could become a lot more then he would ever be at tight end.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 2, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

I enjoy your comments as well.

Antonio Gates, Jason Witten, Tony G… ehhh, I would have a hard time arguing with you on that one, but you cant deny it would be fun to see Tebow in a athletic competetion, he could compete with anyone, he might not win any 40’s or bench press contests but I bet he would finish strong in overall points if there was such a thing.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Jan 30, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs