Tim Tebow At The Senior Bowl: Pass, Fail, Incomplete?
by mlmintampa on Jan 30, 2010 7:41 PM EST
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Tim Tebow was 8-12, for 50 yards in today's Senior Bowl, with Tebow's South losing 31-13 to the North. Tebow had two fumbles (one lost) and did lead his team to a first quarter field goal. His release on throws inside of five yards was quicker, an almost shot put like delivery compared to the long throw windup. Tebow also had to deal with a South offensive line that was not giving Tebow and fellow quarterbacks Jarrett Brown (West Virginia), Zac Robinson (Oklahoma State) much time.
The question now is if Tebow's time in Mobile was good, bad or will have no impact on his draft stock. The Todd McShays of the world will grab a bigger shovel to bury Tebow. (If you watched the NFL Network telecast, you heard Tennessee apologist Charles Davis claiming Tebow's inability to make guys miss when he scrambles will hurt his NFL chances. If people are complaining that Tebow runs over people, rather than around them, they already hate the kid.) The more sophisticated viewer sees Tebow making an adjustment to a quicker release and improved footwork. Tebow was also noticeably thinner and it wasn't just the Under Armour. Tebow has been sick all week, and while that can't be an excuse, this was never going to be his best work.
I will take the argument that Tebow gets an incomplete for his time in Mobile with no real change in draft status. The pros that wanted to be convinced by four practices and exhibition game were never on board any way. [The other Gator, Riley Cooper, had two catches for 36 yards today . Cooper has most definitely increased his draft stock this week.] Tebow will have to wow the crowd at Gator Pro Day and the Combine. I agree with Tebow that he only needs 1 of 32 to think he is a quarterback. But if only 1 likes him, why would they draft him if they knew no one else wanted Tebow? No. 15 needs to impress 10-15 teams to increase his odds of getting into a good situation. And he can't wait until he is drafted to rebuild his mechanics. He has three months and the chances to impress are dwindling.
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Tony Sporano
The Dolphins head coach who was coaching the south team was very positive about Tebow. He said something I liked a lot. That Tebow has improved every day. Anybody with a brain knows Tebow has never taken a snap from under center, and he has a long way to go before he is NFL ready, if ever.
So the part that I find very interesting is Tim Tebow is cleary not NFL ready, yet EVERYONE has him atleast going in the 3rd round, some even as high as in the top 10. Now this is where the comments about Tebows fast progress comes in handy, his talent alone has him getting drafted within the 3rd round most likely and it is only late JAN. It seems to me time is on Tebows side. If he continues to work at it, can ANY OF YOU honestly say with Tebows work ethic that he wont be able to impress at the combine?
Another thing. Tebows slow mechanics is the one thing stopping him. I am so sick of people giving Tebow no chance, at least give him a shot. His arm strengh is good. If a QB like Pennington can excell in the NFL with a well known weak arm does one ever wonder if Tebow can improve his mechanics slightly and with his strong arm make up for the time he loses winding up? I really dont know, but lets say it takes the average NFL QB time X to to release the ball and for it to reach the WR. Now every QB’s time would be different, obviously the slower the time, the more time for the defense to react to the ball. But nobody, AND I mean NOBODY knows if Tebows (time X) is dramitically less then a Pennington type arm.
So much upside to him people dont even realize because everyone wants to see Tebow fail wich is getting to be stupid rediculous on how bad they want it.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Pennington is a bad example.
If Pennington had better physical attributes, he would likely be near the level of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. The fact that he still has a roster spot with his pathetic arm strength is a testament to how much he understands the game and prepares. He can read coverages and always knows where to go with the ball. He’s just limited in where he can throw it. But he does have a quick release.
Tebow on the other hand locks onto receivers, is very raw in reading coverages (especially when dropping from center) and has a Byron Leftwich style release. I wouldn’t compare him to Leftwich other than the release because Tebow can run and Byron was the slowest person ever, but you have to admit that Charles Davis has a point, you can’t run people over in the NFL like Tebow did in college. It just wont work and he will get hurt.
I don’t think anyone can count Tim out at this point because of his attitude and will to work to improve, but after this week it is hard to see him ever making it as an NFL quarterback.
The good news is, this 2010 QB crop is very weak and a lot of teams need one so he will be drafted by someone. I just hope it’s not the Jaguars.
I wasnt comparing him to Pennington. I am just saying not all QB’s can get rid of the ball like Dan Marino. And I am pretty sure when Pennington was in collge he wasnt near the level you speak of him now. I dont think Tebow locks onto receivers as you say, I have watched every game hes played and I agree he isnt great at reading defenses but that is something you can learn as you go. That is probly one of the biggest difference between a collge QB and a NFL QB is reading coverages. They arnt born with it, they learn it with practice. Again I dont think he locks onto receivers as bad as your describing him. His TD to INT ratio speaks for that.
Why cant Tebow run people over in the NFL? I can see it not happening as often, but most people have him switching to another postition. Its ok for him to run people over then right? But not when hes a QB though?
I don’t think anyone can count Tim out at this point because of his attitude and will to work to improve, but after this week it is hard to see him ever making it as an NFL
quarterback.
Why this week? Dont read into the media crap about how terrible he was. Its all BS. Even Sparano said Tebow made huge improvements. That is what people wanted to see, to see if he can adjust. IF people expected him to go out there and all of his mechanics would be fixed in one week they idiots. This game was only about seeing if he can adjust to a new offense and if a NFL head coach says he showed a lot of progress I think thats a good thing. Not a bad thing. Even Dip Shit Mckshay said Tebow made several good throws in the game. He just didnt look comfortable he said, of course he didnt, put Sam Bradford in the Gators offense and I am pretty sure he would need more then one frekin week to get it down.
I hope he doesnt play for the Jaguars either, becuase they probly wont even be a team in a few years because thier crappy fan base.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
it would be worse than shut down
Jaxsonville could be bought by the worst city ever: L.A.
"If only 1 likes him, why would they draft him if they knew no one else wanted Tebow?"
Well, because they don’t and can’t know…
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Also
Tony Pike had a 5-12 day and made some terrible throws. Tebow was 8-12.
One player had a shaky day and the other had a solid performance according to AP news. WTF? I know he fumbled, but what did they expect? Atleast thats correctable, how do you correct bad accuracy?
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
averaging 4 yards per attempt isn't too solid.
I’m a Tebow fan but I just don’t see it in the NFL. He isn’t explosive running the ball and he is gonna have to make to many adjustments in his game to go along with learning at the NFL level. If a team is patient and lets him play sparingly(short yardage) and learn for a season or two ala Steve Young for the Niners. Then maybe he could have a chance but in a league of win now results I find that unlikely.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
Not sure how you define explosive. Is he going to break one for 60 yards? Never. Can he run the ball well and make the first guy miss, whether it be stiff arm or a stutter step? Yes, easily. He doesnt run a 4.4 40 time, and some how that translates he isnt a great runner. I guess anyone can hold the record for SEC rushing TD’s.
Only thing stopping him right now is his mechanics. See my post above about that. Not typing it again.
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agree with hook
i saw that same ap report and didnt understand it. where are all the haters that said tebow wasnt accurate?
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 31, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
An objective view from way out west
. (If you watched the NFL Network telecast, you heard Tennessee apologist Charles Davis claiming Tebow’s inability to make guys miss when he scrambles will hurt his NFL chances. If people are complaining that Tebow runs over people, rather than around them, they already hate the kid.)
They don’t hate the kid; they just aren’t sure they like the way he plays right now.
What you have to understand is that NFL evaluators, coaches and owners are knee-jerk reactive to any signs that a QB is willing to initiate/absorb contact. They don’t want their million dollar babies on the sidelines or on the IR. And NFL defenses are bigger, faster and meaner than anything Tebow saw in college. The people who will be writing his checks every week see the way he runs, and their first thought is “get the stretcher ready”.
Is it fair? Maybe not. But in their view, they pay the running backs to take punishment, not the quarterback. RBs are more replacable than QBs, which is why QBs tend to get paid more off the bat and given the benefit of the rules.
Some QB coaches think mechanics can’t be fixed easily. Others think you can do anything with a QB if he’s willing to learn and has the raw talent. I don’t think there’s any question about the latter.
I don’t follow Florida closely but I’ve always liked Tebow’s guts and enjoyed watching him play (and very happy he didn’t go to Bama). I hope he has a good career, because nobody deserves a shot at the big time more. And he’ll have a chance — a better chance than most.
But he may wish, looking back, that he’d blown off the Senior Bowl and gone straight to the combines.
My gut feeling is that some team is going to get him at a discount, and laugh all the way to the playoffs.
everything is history, eventually.
Nice to see a Tebow supporter.
But dont under estimate the ANTI-TEBOW society. There is a huge following that cant wait to see Tebow fail. If you dont believe that, then you havent been a Tebow fan for very long.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
The advantage of being so far removed from it is that it’s easy to see the way both sides line up.
Tebow is one-of-a-kind. Some people don’t like that; they don’t want to believe anyone can be that different. Starting from that mindset, it’s easy for detractors to find the limitations.
That said, Tebow does have some tendencies that make his NFL prospects a bit dodgier than Tebow’s fans would like to believe. Every star has his fan club. Look at the way the Missouri and Texas Tech fans cry whenever their system QBs exhibit mass failure in their NFL attempts. “They didn’t give him a chance!!” Like bloody hell they didn’t.
Fortunately for him, the ANTI-TEBOW society will have ZERO influence on whether he can make it in the NFL. All they can influence is the media.
Don’t let them get to you.
everything is history, eventually.
I wont be suprised if he doesnt make it in the NFL. He has one problem, his mechanics make his release too slow. The jury is still out on whether or not if he can adjust his mechanics enough to succeed in the NFL. I am not a blind supporter.
When he was a freshmen, EVERYONE SAID he wouldnt be able to succeed as a starting QB. We all know what happend the next season.
Tebow does have some tendencies that make his NFL prospects a bit dodgier than Tebow’s fans would like to believe.
Dont insult my knowledge, There is some very acurate critisism of Tebow out there, there is also a lot of crap as well. Just becuase some idiot writer watches a couple games doesnt make the crap he spews out facts. Its just a opinion like anyone elses. I am not a Tebow homer, who has no clue and thinks hes a lock as a NFL starting QB. I am not that guy. I am just a Gator fan who has had to put up with all the haters out there ever since he was a freshmen-
“oh cant be starting QB”, then he wins the Heismen…“Oh he cant be a NFL QB”… and since then they have been on a mission to prove themselves right and nobody likes to be wrong, especially when you have been claiming the guy cant do it since hes been a freshmen so they must let everyone know…Hey I was right, remember when I said he isnt as good as everyone thinks, remember I said that! Those are the type of people you dont realize are out there.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
I won’t insult your knowledge if you don’t insult mine.
You think I don’t realize “the kind of people who are out there?” That I don’t know how big the Tebow Neener Squad is? Give me a break.. they’re all over the state of OREGON, and if they’re here, they’re everywhere.
I wasn’t referring to you personally as someone who was wearing blinders regarding the criticism. You have to admit that Tebow has a lot of supporters who are only casual fans and don’t understand how different the NFL is from college; they are the ones who can’t believe anything could possibly keep him from being the next great NFL QB, just as he was the great college QB. Those are the fans I was referring to in your blockquote. I didn’t, and wouldn’t, put you in that class, so please, don’t call me clueless.
I saw Tebow play as a freshman, thought it was interesting the way he was being used situationally, could see he had great instincts and exceptional potential. I don’t think “EVERYBODY” said he wouldn’t succeed; only an idiot would say at that time he didn’t have great potential, but I’ll take your word for what was happening in Florida. Maybe there are a lot of idiots down there.
I don’t know if he’ll make it in the NFL or not. And I wouldn’t call myself a fan — a supporter is more accurate maybe. But he’ll get a shot, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he DOES make it.
All I know for certain is that Todd McShay is demonstrably incompetent as a predictor of NFL success, and has been for some time. It’s hard to believe the World Wide Leader can’t do any better than that gasbag.
everything is history, eventually.
Well I am fine with that, only thing is your first comment you made in here came off as “every one in here doesnt understand why Tebow is getting knocked.” If you didnt intend for it to come out that way, thats fine, but it did. So then the comments commenced as they did in that manner. And as I said its nice to see a Tebow supporter especially from the pac-10 wich is rare. Also, “everybody” come on you know I didnt mean that literally. A lot of "professionals thought his side arm motion would never work out as being able to succeed as a passer in the SEC. Everyone knew he had skills running the ball.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
it’s always amazing how often the “professionals” (as in the people who talk about the real professionals, not the pros themselves) not only get it wrong but make fools of themselves.
I recall when Haloti Ngata was drafted in the 1st round by the Ravens out of Oregon. Merrill Hoge went off on the pick on ESPN, saying Haloti was soft, that the “weak Pac-10” made him look better than he really was, that the Ravens would regret the pick. Haloti is starting in the Pro Bowl today as the #1 DT in the AFC.
I think there’s a lot of this “go with the crowd” mentality playing in the media on the Tebow news. Every gasbag has to have an opinion, but there’s no point in bucking the flow. It’s too much to ask everyone to STFU until at least the combines.
everything is history, eventually.
by benzduck on Jan 31, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know that problem
I’m sorrounded by Tebow haters that got swept by him and idolize Peyton Manning which really isn’t too bad because he’s about to win another superbowl(please)
The truth is, his performance at the game did not matter.
This may not be common knowledge to all, but the truth is the game itself is of negligable importance to scouts and coaches. The real event is the week of practice. And Tebow, despite being sick, did improve daily.
Whether Tebow threw 5 touchdowns today or fumbled twice (the latter of which he did) will not impact his draft status at all.
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Two big things are going to scare teams off on Tebow
1. The Mechanics. I think alot of team’s were thinking of Byron Leftwich when they saw Tebow’s throwing motion.
2. His complete inability to put zip on sideline throws. No pass can turn into a pick 6 quicker and I really think it’s going to hurt his stock.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 31, 2010 12:49 PM EST reply actions
Say what you want about Leftwich..
but his career QB rating, at 79.6, is higher than Eli Manning, Kyle Orton, Phil Simms, Joe Theismann, or even Johnny Unitas.
you’re right about #2, though. He won’t be able to get away with that.
everything is history, eventually.
Not sure where number 2 has been scouted. Tebow recently has been finaly been getting some credit on his arm strenth. His arm strenth is very capable of putting “zip” on the ball. Dont take my word for it, just watch some tape on him during the season, hes made that sideline throw on a 20 yard out to the side line many times. The Arkansas game at the end he his Riley Cooper on the side line for an example. check it out.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Watching him at the senior bowl, those balls were getting there seconds later than balls being thrown by the other QBs
by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 2, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Just another sacrifice Tebow made for Florida Football
He could’ve taken his senior year to prepare for the NFL and let that become a distraction. It is apparent that he did not.
He’s got until April to prepare for the draft – no, he probably won’t go in the first two rounds, but he just needs to get drafted.
From there, let his relentless work ethic as a backup prepare him for a starting role in a few years. He’ll be ready.
Tim Tebow 2010.
Bring the hate.
Feed the beast.
exactly, no one expects much so all he needs is a chance and then the only way to go is up or out. If he doesnt make it, there no shame in it. How many Heismen winners spent a few years in the NFL and didnt hack it.
Shoot, look at all the top 5 picks that every claimed would be super stars are out of the NFL now. Its not the end of the world.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Didn't Favre have slow mechanics when he was drafted?
or am I thinking of someone else that succeded?
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