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Game 5: The Hat kills, but nothing changes

Just when you think you've figured it out, you will be wrong. Teams who can't score get 62 points. It is possible for UF to have a long touchdown scoring drive. Perfectly sideways laterals are possible. And Les Miles still can pull more magic out of his hat. 

But despite that, and South Carolina beating Alabama today, nothing in the long term has changed. 

Florida lost 33-29 to LSU for several reasons, all of them things we have discussed here previously. There were times when the defense looked good, then looked bad on the next play. On offense, Andre Debose only got one touch after his 88-yard kickoff return touchdown. The fans also let the Gators know that they did no appreciate the play calling.

The final touchdown was scored by LSU's Terrence Tolliver, who beat Jeremy Brown in coverage. Brown is an example of the defense; either young or a new starter, who takes two steps forward and one step back. Jelani Jenkins, who had an interception that set up Florida's first score, could have stopped the fake field goal that set up the winning touchdown. Janoris Jenkins, who had blown tackles all night including the fake, finished a punt return with a 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty which forced UF to start at their own five. Allowing 33 points and 357 total yards to a team that has played terribly on offense is not acceptable. Especially when UF blew so many tackles and dove for pass breakups and not tackles. The continuing defensive problem is Florida's inability to get to the quarterback. We did not see much of Ronald Powell or Sharrif Floyd, and I would like to think that they are needed for UF to advance their front seven play.

On special teams, the Debose return and shutting down Patrick Peterson (whose fumble set up the second UF score) should have been enough. But Chas Henry missed two field goals, one of which actually mattered due to a penalty erasing the first miss. Then there was the field goal, when clearly everyone was waiting for Jarvis Moss to show up, but instead got something closer to the Music City Miracle. The odds of throwing a bounce, behind the back sideways lateral are almost impossible to comprehend. But it would not have happened had the Gators been disciplined and gotten to the LSU kicker before he reached the first down markers. 

As for the offense, I don't think this provides much confidence for the Gators cause. John Brantley has, at the minimum, bruised ribs and a sprained right thumb. Jeff Demps was unavailable and Mike Gillislee was in pain. Emmanuel Moody can not be an every down back. It took until Steve Addazio had a gun to his head in the 4th quarter that Debose and Omarius Hines got touches. If Florida is in a position where the standard bearers are hurt, play calling needs to be creative. That means Debose and Hines.

Florida scored their first 14 points on drives of 17 and 16 yards. They did drive the ball in the second half (two drives of 70 plus yards) but only scored on Debose's return and the 80 yard drive for the leading touchdown late. But they are riding Trey Burton and Jordan Reed, especially inside the five yard line. It is as if UF is throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. As a fan, that has to be concerning in that they don't know how to be successful. 

In addition, on both sides of the ball, UF was manhandled on the lines. That is the reason for LSU's 385-243 edge in total yards. At no point did Florida deserve to win the game. The Tigers were the better team.

All of that said, UF still controls their own destiny. If both the Gators and Gamecocks win out, the Gators would be 5-2 in the SEC and the Cocks would be 6-1. If UF wins, they would be 6-2 with the tiebreaker over South Carolina. This season is far from over. There are plenty of things to be upset about, but we can still accomplish a significant goal.

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It got intense, but its hard to care about the stakes because im CONVINCED we wont win another championship with Addazzio doing what hes doing. I mean in the past season and thus far in the current season, there hasn’t been one sign that we can play at the level we did in the past with his playcalling. It shocks me that its just now becoming an issue…I noticed his tendancies last year and started calling for his head when Bama—-who I still feel was not a better team than us—-smoked us in the SEC Champ Game.

Its hard to develop ‘playmakers’ when noone gets the ball sans MOODY. Thats at the point where I rather find TJ Pridemore and give him the carries with our injury concerns. Cant be any worse.

Keep booing the playcalling. Piss them off. Florida is a top tier name, and will be through next year. But if this playcalling naiivity continues, its gonna hurt us in the long run. I dont wanna see them go back as a ‘sorta contender’. This team was set up to be as elite as you can get (tv deals, tv time, popularity, merchandise, skill level, surrounding recruiting pipelines, etc). This is being wasted.

I certainly didnt expect my #2 team (Mich St) would be 6-0 while Florida (obviously my longtime favorite since 1992) is sitting at 4-2 at this point.

by Slica on Oct 10, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Also

Ive heard the excuses from the commentators that we are limited in playcalling due to injuries, inexperience, etc.

Thats a bit of a proclaimation that our kids are stupid.

Most of us believe that Addazzio is just naiive. He tends to come off as a ‘i know better than you’ type, so I doubt he will ever admit to his incompetance.

Is it possible he just calls generic stuff just because hes not good at the time constraints when calling a play since he has become an OC? 35 seconds and he panics, ignores the strategy element, and just calls something generic to ‘beat the clock’. Im prolly thinking about this too much.

Its just sooooo damned baffling. Im goin to bed. Try to have a goodnight everyone, enjoyed myself, as much as a Gator fan could.

by Slica on Oct 10, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously...

This loss has to cost someone their job right? LSU is not a good team. Say what you want about their record, but a disciplined and well coached team should handle them, especially at home, easily.

A wonderful case in point is the fake field goal where the coaches should tell the players don’t play over aggressive and get out of position because should their kicker somehow make a 50+ yarder to tie we still have a shot to drive the field for a game winning FG.

I remember the losses in ‘07 where the offense was scoring all over the place, and the defense was young and learning on the fly. This year is more like wasting talent week to week trying to figure out who’s on the roster, and sorting a depth chart that should’ve been nailed down months ago.

It's not for those who punt on 4th and 1.

by BDoc on Oct 10, 2010 2:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, it's all UF's fault they lost

to such a crappy LSU team.

Man, when will you dweebs get a clue?!

by These on Oct 10, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not start a LSU-UF fan flame war.

I feel pretty welcome on here and don’t want the negativity. UF fans posting on a UF blog can post whatever they feel like as far as I’m concerned — it’s not like he signed up to ATVS to say that.

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 10, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. I won’t say that LSU isn’t a good team or anything like that. They are 6-0, and nearly every team in history that started out 6-0 had to have some luck involved. Every season, every team that goes undefeated or to a BCS bowl game, had to have some luck involved. Should LSU be 4-2? Should they be 5-1? It doesn’t matter.

They got the job done last night. The Gators didn’t. End of story.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Oct 10, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW "These" just signed up to ATVS

and constantly makes an ass of himself. He’s not one of our respected posters.

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 10, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh. I see.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Oct 10, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

No?

So, you’re saying it’s not UF’s fault they lost to a crappy LSU team? Well, that’s certainly comforting.

I get it, LSU isn’t exactly a pushover, and was far from anything resembling a guaranteed win. However, after losing to Alabama the way they did last week I expected to see a different UF team than the one I did last night. The playcalling was average at best, the offensive line is struggling to pass block a lot of the time and the defense missed quite a few tackles and was out of position in key moments. I think everyone knew LSU’s defense was quite good and would keep them in the game, but up to last night their offense hadn’t really looked very good and Florida allowed them to score the most points they have all year.

Like has been posted here before, I think most times fans can be ok with losses if it seems like the team is showing improvement in some of its weaker areas. However, I don’t think anything was really improved from last week to this week outside of maybe Debose breaking that return for a TD.

It's not for those who punt on 4th and 1.

by BDoc on Oct 10, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love the Gators

and for their sake in the long-run, as much as I hate to say it, then unless this game is the final straw (which I doubt it is), then I hope they lose out.

They’re not going to go to any championship this year besides the SEC championship, which I doubt will even happen this year. If they get to a bowl game, it’ll be a crap game. If they keep losing, then what needs to happen will probably happen – Addazzio will no longer be the offensive coordinator. Our players aren’t going to develop under him because he doesn’t know wth he’s doing as O.C. and I think it’s safe to say that after all the time he’s been O.C., he’s not going to ‘get it’.

If the coaches keep up their mediocre game-planning and play-calling and keep losing to less-talented teams, less and less talented people will want to play for UF. I don’t care how good Addazzio and Meyer are at recruiting. Nobody wants to play for an idiot who can’t put their players in a position to be successful.

by Kame on Oct 10, 2010 2:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Good game--I know it was of the ugly variety, but these are the kind of games...

LSU gets into this year/last year—I’m used to it now and do not have to even drink as much to get through the games. I am proud of my Tigers/coaches as I have been all year, because we have played hard and fought with the exception of the fourth quarter vs UNC. Both teams played hard and Brantley is a true warrior with everything considered. Good luck the rest of the season.

by mjtig on Oct 10, 2010 3:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Fake Field Goal

We all knew it was coming. And not just like dumb fans always trying to make the unexpected call – fans call fakes and say “I knew it” all the time. This wasn’t one of those times, it was Les Miles. It could be argued that the smart play was to go for it and not try a 53 yard FG. If I was calling the plays I would have gone for it straight up. The play screamed fake FG so much that I was almost sure it was a real FG, because the fake was too obvious. If they can make a 53 yard FG to tie, fine, just don’t let them fake it. Watching the replay I couldn’t believe Jenkins was going in to block it. Just a few minutes ago I read the live thread and saw everybody also saw the fake coming. It doesn’t make sense how this happened. There was ONE thing we couldn’t let happen (a first down) and we CAN’T lose the game in regulation. A FG attempt – we can only win. Its not even necessary to block a 53 yard FG, I believe the kicker’s long was 52.

Anyway, I came on here and saw that all the other Gator fans also called the fake field goal. Its literally mind boggling. I’ve never seen a Gator game end like this. Such bad coaching.

by Joakim Noah on Oct 10, 2010 4:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, it was very bad. I was screaming at the TV, “watch for the fake…etc” and I couldn’t believe it when they actually got the first down.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Oct 10, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

[Bleep] This.

I was there. My entire section called that fake FG. Forget “firesteveaddazio.com”. How about “fireurbanmeyer.com”? I am sick and tired of feeling like we have to overcome our coaching each and every week. I lived through the Zook era; I know that just about anybody can recruit at Florida. Can we please get a coaching staff worth a damn in gameplaning / adjustments?

MileHighReport.com member since 02/06/07, promoted to "Position Coach" (i.e. new staff writer) on 02/16/10!

by ejruiz on Oct 10, 2010 4:53 AM EDT reply actions  

lol, I was just at the firesteveaddazio site for the first time before I came here to see what others had to say

But yeah, if Myer is so determined to see his crony Addazio be his right-hand man to the point of resigning because Addazio gets fired, then let him.

Last week it was Burton up the middle, then the jump pass for the first TD attempt. Everyone saw it coming, even the Alabama coaches were jumping up and down simulating it. Everyone saw that Alabama knew it was coming, except Addazio and co. who were standing on the opposite end of the field.

This week it was the fake field goal. Everyone except for Meyer and co. saw it coming. They were 100% sure that LSU was going to put the whole game on a 53-yard attempt. I’m really beginning to question the intellectual level of the coaching staff.

by Kame on Oct 10, 2010 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm....
Forget "firesteveaddazio.com". How about "fireurbanmeyer.com"?

I’m not one of those guys that comes on other teams’ sites just to cause trouble, but dude, seriously? UM is one of the best coaches out there. UF is having a down year like all the great programs (and yes, you are still a truly great program).

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 10, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. This year is just like 2007. Minus Timmy T of course.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Oct 10, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Meyer is still a great coach and any talk of firing him is a bit extreme

And any talk of “hoping we lose out” is ridiculous coming from a UF fan.

by Basshole on Oct 10, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

this should be a sign that Addazio HAS TO GO

Mathew 19:26 "With God, all things are possible"

by southman on Oct 10, 2010 7:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree, Urb is one of the best head coaches in the game but...

It’s clear he needs a strong strategy type coach “Mullen” to be paired with him. Addazio and Meyer suck at game management and preparation. Hes got us 2 championships very recently so we all know he has skills, but ever since Mullen has left this team just isnt the same. Kind of like when Bob stoops left after 96’, Spurrier could never get back to the big game.

ONE GOOD THING about that game is our players played thier HEARTS out. Meyer can still get these kids motivated, they never give up even when they are getting dominated.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Oct 10, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

The fake FG is now up there for all time Worst Mental lapses, coaching and players.

Even if Meyer didn’t call to play it safe, players like Jenkins should know better and be the leader he should be and inform everyone “WATCH THE FAKE”!!’

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Oct 10, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, how lucky can you get when a football bounces right into the hands of the runner.

it was almost like they practiced it that way… I’m sure Gator nation will be talking about that play 25 years from now.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Oct 10, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Urban would have called the fake there—he couldn’t see it coming from a desperate Les Miles? We were yelling “Watch the fake!” at the big screen—a whole room threw it’s hands up and about a third left after that, not wanting to watch the inevitable end.
With heavy heart I head out this morn’ with this one main thought:
Will Urban Meyer reassert himself as HEAD COACH, or is this it?

by DRU2012 on Oct 10, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Many out siders probably think Gator nation is just looking for an escape goat.

But this is definitely a valid frusturation. We were patient with Zook for years until we had enough, and fans wernt calling for Strong’s head in 07’. It just doesn’t take a rocket scientist to put 2+2 together and see how much this offense has gone down since Mullen left.

There’s so many excuses for the outsiders like Tebow is gone, Harvin is gone… Blah blah… There is so much more then that. And they can all STFU!

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Oct 10, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't fire... Hire

I am by no means an Addazio supporter. I wanted to not only rip his mustache off his face immediately following last night’s game but I also was filled with the desire to tear his bald head off the top of his skull.

But it’s clear that Addazio can’t handle being both the OC and the OL coach. Terrible playcalling/preparation and an underperforming o-line could be the result of an overworked Addazio. Urban seems to believe in Addazio as an OC, so the least he could do is bring in a new OL coach and take that responsibility off his plate. Of course it would be better if he brought in a new offensive coordinator and demoted Addazio to OL duties, but that sort of thing can be toxic for a coaching staff.

Jorts: Beating Georgia with Stunning Regularity Since 1990

by Jean Shorts Torture on Oct 10, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

TOLD YA SO

I took serious heat for my comments leading up to this game for saying that LSU not only had a shot, but they just might whoop some ass. Which they did.

You guys here showed practically zero respect for LSU, saying how they’d be lucky not to lose by 3 or 4 TD’s, how if it was even close you’d be disappointed considering how lucky LSU is, how superior the Gators were. And I kept retorting with essentially that your lack of respect and overconfidence was why the Tigers were going to win this game.

Ironically, the Gators were the lucky team — they could have very easily been blown out for the second consecutive game had LSU not gifted them a couple of TD’s.

Maybe now you guys can get over the fact that without Tebow, you’re just another team. Welcome to Reality, Gator fans! Cannibalize amongst yourselves…

by These on Oct 10, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

That's funny because I thought we would win but I never disrespected LSU.

And FYI, your team isn’t that great either. I’m not trying to be a dick but if your gonna come in hear rubbing it in then you deserve to hear this.

Your team blows. Not only did LSU give us gifts, they tried to give is the game, only problem was our team is so young and badly coached we just gave the gifts right back to you as if we were to good for it. You should be happy that you won but I would not get your hopes up at all… That was one of the absolute worst game I have seen the gators play in a long time and we still almost won if it wasn’t for that lucky ass bounce. So what does that say about LSU? They suck. Bans, Arkansas, and Auburn will all beat you.

Trust me, I mean no disrespect and I have no I’ll will against LSU… Actually I’d rather see LSU in the SECCG then any other west team but your confidence wad just to high for me to keep quiet.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Oct 10, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I took serious heat for my comments leading up to this game for saying that LSU not only had a shot, but they just might whoop some ass. Which they did.

I wouldn’t say they “whooped some ass” but before the season started I had LSU as a loss. I took a lot of grief for it as well. http://www.alligatorarmy.com/2010/8/22/1636646/my-season-prediction-and

LSU is always going to be a tough game. But if you think LSU played a perfect game and the Gators capitalized on some gifts, then you are facing reality either.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Oct 10, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus dude

It’s really bad for to come trolling on another team’s. This is pointless and mindless.

I wish you would also stop posting on ATVS. You offer absolutely nothing constructive there.

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 10, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

grrr

“… bad form to come trolling on another team’s site.”

Still drunk from last night apparently.

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 10, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sending you a WAAAAHBULANCE

You guys think you’re so high and mighty, get so uber-defensive and catty when someone else is right and you’re wrong. Go read my posts again, you’ll see I was ABSOLUTELY correct about Lee. Go on back to your ATVS circle jerk. I care.

by These on Oct 10, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go finish your personal flame war somewhere else.

Thanks for reading.

mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
http://www.alligatorarmy.com

by mlmintampa on Oct 11, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Oct 11, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly
All of that said, UF still controls their own destiny. If both the Gators and Gamecocks win out, the Gators would be 5-2 in the SEC and the Cocks would be 6-1. If UF wins, they would be 6-2 with the tiebreaker over South Carolina. This season is far from over. There are plenty of things to be upset about, but we can still accomplish a significant goal.

There is way too much doom and gloom from some Florida fans. It’s good to see you guys keeping some perspective. You have a pretty good team, despite a down year. I can easily see you guys playing in the SECCG.

Also: being an LSU fan this year is interesting to say the least. Just when I thought it could not get any crazier….

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 10, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I can easily see you guys playing in the SECCG

All we have to do is win the rest of the SEC games and we are in. Of course, that is easier said than done. On any given year.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Oct 10, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who you got?

(Off my head) Vandy, UT, SC, UGA… yeah you can do it.

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Oct 10, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vandy, UGA, South Carolina, Miss State.

That’s it. It can be done, no question about it, but the South Carolina game is now very very big.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Oct 10, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

And to be honest, if UGA's game yesterday against Tennessee wasn't a fluke but a revival,

and if we continue to get injured, the that game could go either way.

"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer

by cantcatchuf on Oct 10, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. There is no doubt that UGA looks like a different team now. Especially with the return of AJ Green. It seems to have revitalized the entire team.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Oct 10, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all so strange: It’s not that I want to get rid of Urban Meyer…
I WANT URBAN MEYER TO SHOW UP!
That wide-eyed guy who calmly shrugs off another dismal performance from the kids he brought in and the coaches he hired, that is NOT the guy who came in here, shook things up and made us perennial champions. THAT man wouldn’t put up with this crap. Before Tim Tebow, there was Urban Meyer, in the locker room, with the press, kicking butts, getting in peoples’ faces, taking responsibility, leading his team. We need him now.

by DRU2012 on Oct 10, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

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