Bye Week Fun: Who should the Gators have a home-and-home with?
Yesterday, we asked you to pick a home-and-home series the Gators should schedule. We had seven commentators submit teams and reasons why the Gators should play that particular team. Those were: tbcook, Georgia Tech; Jean Shorts Torture, Virginia Tech; Cowtown, TCU; skigator93, Utah; DudleyAUF, Oregon; silverstreak3k, USC; KegelExercise, Michigan.
[Note: A commentator asked when UF could play a series like this. It appears to be 2015-2016. UF has already scheduled their four OOC games through 2014 (and they are awful, aside from Miami and FSU). UF also plays USF at home in 2015.]
If you're thinking, "Hey, what about Miami! Or Texas A&M! Those would be cool games!" That's not good enough. If you remember, the point was to explain why the Gators should play a team based on national significance, historical significance and access for Gator fans. Yeah, it's easy to get to Miami, but UF-Miami is already scheduled for 2013. Texas A&M would be accessible for Gators, especially if played at Cowboys Stadium, but is A&M a national power? Also, revenge against Nebraska loses some power when you consider that was 15 years ago.
Of the two that missed the cut, TCU was left out because it is hard to determine the historical significance. (There was spousal significance, however.) USC would have made it, had silverstreak3k noted that UF and USC played two classic games in 1982 and 1983. I was almost as disappointed in that as I was that no one backed me up on Notre Dame.
That is why we have five teams to make a home-and-home series with. Originally, I had planned on selecting my Notre Dame pick, but the Michigan entry was so strong that it merited an entry. Here are the entries, unedited, for your approval. Vote in the poll below. Try to pick not just for the team, but for the reasons presented to play that team.
Georgia Tech: The obvious historical significance is that they used to be in the SEC. The Atlanta Gator Club has a pretty large base, plus Atlanta is easy to drive to for most people in Florida. While the Gators already recruit out of Georgia, they don't play any regular season games in that state with the Cocktail Party being in Jacksonville. Georgia Tech is usually competing for the ACC Championship, so it would certainly shut people up that say that the Gators play cupcakes in their OOC games and that they don't leave the state for road games.
[Note: UF last played Georgia Tech in 1981. They have played 38 times. -mlm]
Virginia Tech: Historical Significance: The Gators and Hokies played in Gainesville 1985, back before either program was really elite. Florida was ranked fourth at the time, but was also on probation at the time. The two teams have never met in a bowl, which is just weird.
National Significance: Any inter-league game involving Virginia Tech seems to get everybody's attention, even if the Hokies do keep losing them. Tech has a strong base in D.C. and Richmond, which is a bigger city than a lot of people think. It also gets Florida outside of the SEC footprint and gives the Gators some quality mid-Atlantic exposure. I lived in D.C. for a while and was stunned that people were more interested in ACC football than SEC football.
Gator Fan Access: Blacksburg isn't real easy to get to from, well, anywhere, but there are tons of young Gators in the D.C. area, and probably even some older ones, too. I think lots of Gators in Florida would make the trip just to experience gameday in Blacksburg (Enter Sandman, etc.). It's also not a real bad drive from Atlanta, which has the nation's largest Gator Club outside of Florida.
Utah: National Significance: Utah is currently 6-0, ranked 9th in the nation, and just 2 years removed from an undefeated season where some were calling for the Utes to be crowned national champion. UU has the same problem as Boise State in that they rarely get to play a quality opponent. I think the average football fan would be interested to see how the Utes would fare against a traditional SEC powerhouse.
Historical Significance: UF and Utah have squared off only once, a 38-29 Gator victory in Gainesville. Even 33 years ago, the game appeared to be an offensive shootout. While the teams obviously don't have a history of clashes, the fact that Utah is where Meyer (and President Machen) spring boarded his career into the national spotlight is certainly intriguing.
Fan Access: This is obviously the biggest problem with the game. There is no Gator Club chapter in the State of Utah and local alumni are surely limited at best. That being said, the Rocky Mountain Gator Club in neighboring Colorado, while about 550 miles away, is only a short flight between 2 large airports. Also, as the Gators haven't played a regular season OOC game west of the Mississippi in...well, who knows how long? Fans should be itching for a flight based road trip to see the Gators play. If you've never been to Salt Lake City, it is a beautiful city that is absolutely worth visiting. SLC is also a Delta hub, making flights into the city plentiful and easy to come by.
[Note: ESPN tried scheduling Utah-Florida for the 2009 opener. -mlm]
Oregon: Chip Kelly has Oregon playing at a solid and consistent level each season, so it's safe to say if the Gators schedule them it won't turn into a UT situation where one team is garbage, assuming UF gets it together.
As far as nationally, if you feature recent PAC-10 champs against a recent SEC Champ, you are going to have a marquee matchup. Also, whenever the two conferences play, it seems that one side is heads and shoulders above the other (Example: USC-Auburn and Oregon-UT). Historical significance offers a first time meeting between these two teams. Fan Access is a nightmare because nothing is in Oregon, however, UF fans could come from big areas like Seattle, Denver and L.A.
Michigan: Historical Significance: Michigan and Florida have played just twice, both in bowl games, and both in the 21st century. Michigan won them both, a 38-30 win in the 2003 Outback Bowl, and a 41-35 win in the 2008 Capital One Bowl. It would be great to see the Gators notch a win (preferably two) against one of the premier teams in college football history. One victory for Florida here though: these two teams were the two primary participants in the 2006 national championship controversy to determine who got to play Ohio State for the title, and we all know how that ended.
National Significance: Both teams may be down this moment, but national powerhouses like Michigan and Florida don't stay this way forever. In the time it would likely take to negotiate this home-and-home, I fully expect both programs to be back in full force, setting up a great early season inter-conference powerhouse matchup, and fueling the endless Big Ten vs. SEC debate that will rage on for all eternity.
Ease of Access: According to FloridaGators.com, there is a Gator club in Detroit, though the link to their page is currently broken. Even so, Ann Arbor is not overly far from either Indianapolis or Chicago (There is a HUGE Gator club in Chi-Town), so it would be a great treat for us Gators living up here in Big Ten country. Hell, I'd make the drive from Milwaukee.
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I voted for Michigan, but...
…my heart wasn’t in it. Had I not missed out on the nomination process I wold have submitted the following:
Rutgers: Forget about New Meadowlands Stadium; play this one at New Yankee Stadium! While not a historical power, Rutgers does lay claim to “the birthplace of college football” AND they did earn a tie against us back in the 80’s. NY/NJ has a HUGE Gator presence; they would love to see their team again in person, and there would be no shortage of Florida-based fans willing to make the trip to Gotham.
Notre Dame: No explanation needed.
Boston College: Again, big alum population, destination city, and a decent history.
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, I have others."
In 2007, I wrote that UF could play Rutgers at the Meadowlands. Although playing Rutgers or Army at New Yankee Stadium isn’t too far fetched. Remember, the Steinbrenner family has Florida connections. George was a Bull Gator and Hal is a UF grad.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
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NY/NJ has a HUGE Gator presence
Yeah. The Gotham Gator club is ridiculously large. They have like 6 different viewing parties per week (football) and their basketball viewing party is at a pretty big venue.
The Once and Future King
Gotham Gators
Been to the Gin Mill in NYC to watch a hoops game with the club before. We waxed UGA in the first round of the SEC Tourney. It was a good night.
2nd the Notre Dame recommendation
What a build up a Notre Dame game would be for UF and Urban Meyer! However, the game would need to be played early in the season. Could see our boys playing Notre Dame in South Bend in November? Florida kids would be freazing their @!! off!
Well, it probably would. The only way they play that game in Nov is by getting rid of that garbage team before the FSU game. Not gonna happen.
So the only way they would play Notre Dame is if they played that game at the very beginning of the season. First two games are an option. Then again, that would be the only time any of these games would be played.
The Once and Future King
Hmmmm. I still think Texas A&M should have been there, and if someone thinks they don’t have any national significance, they should probably start watching this college football thing.
Out of those choices, Michigan it is.
The Once and Future King
Oklahoma would be fun as well.
Why in the crap is Oregon on this list? They have no Heisman winners, no national titles, hardly any All-Americans ever (they have 2) and play all the way out in Oregon? They have only won 8 conference titles….
So Oregon is added, but Nebraska, Texas A&M, Oklahoma…etc are left off?
Really?
The Once and Future King
Nebraska, Texas A&M, Oklahoma…etc are left off?
You’re missing the point of this. You have to state the reasons for Florida to play that team. You can’t just say, “We should play Oklahoma!” Why should we play Oklahoma?
A lot of people commented with a list of teams or picked a team with nothing to back it up. That means their selections were not included in this post. If you called into a radio station and said, “We should play Texas A&M!” They’d ask you why should we play Texas A&M. That’s what I wanted people to do. Explain it. The five entries listed above did that and did so very well.
As for Texas A&M, the last bowl they won was the 2001 Galleryfurniture.com Bowl and they last played in a BCS bowl in 1998. They haven’t finished in the top-25 since 1999. Does that sound like a team of national significance?
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
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Not really. But historically they are 100 times the program that Oregon is. I thought that was part of the equation. Oregon has a history like UF. Decent in the old days, long losing stretches, but they haven’t come close to what UF has done in the last 15 – 20 years.
Fan access etc…Oregon fails again. In the first post you said all of that needed to be taken into account. Oregon fails at everything you listed except for the past 3 or 4 years of being above average.
Texas A&M, Nebraska and Oklahoma have done exponentially more than Oregon, Utah, VaTech…etc. At least Georgia Tech has a National Title.
Michigan is by far and away the most prestigious team on that list, and in the top 2 or 3 in all of college football. It doesn’t matter though. I voted for Michigan. That’s the best one of the choices and it isn’t even remotely close. IMO of course.
The Once and Future King
Oregon doesn’t fail. Portland is a major city (media market 22), and it is as far away from Eugene as Gainesville is from Tampa or Orlando (about 110 miles). You can also take a train between Portland and Eugene. Utah doesn’t fail either (Salt Lake is a major hub). But yes, it was interesting how those entries made the case against travel. I wasn’t as pessimistic though. If Salt Lake City can host the Olympics, they can handle some Gator fans.
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UF C/O 06
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Gallery Furniture!
Tell ’em Wolfman sent you!
Jorts: Beating Georgia with Stunning Regularity Since 1990
by Jean Shorts Torture on Oct 21, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry...
Ask for the Wolfman!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uA5f_d4xM
Jorts: Beating Georgia with Stunning Regularity Since 1990
by Jean Shorts Torture on Oct 21, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
You think Gallery Furniture is bad?
I just checked Notre Dame’s recent history…Since 1993, their only bowl win was a 2008 Hawaii Bowl victory. The bowl is so bad, not even Dole would sponsor it!!
check out this record:
1994 6-5-1. Lost to Colorado in Fiesta (41-24)
1995 9-3. Lost to FSU in Sugar (31-26)
1996 8-3. No bowl (is this the year that Holz refused the invite?)
1997 7-6. Lost to LSU in Independence (Poulan Weed Eater?) (27-9)
1998 9-3. Lost to Ga Tech in Gator (35-28)
1999 5-7.
2000 9-3. Lost to Oregon State in Fiesta (41-9)
2001 5-6.
2002 10-3. Lost to NC State in Gator (28-6)
2003 5-7.
2004 6-6. Lost to Oregon State in Insight (38-21)
2005 9-3. Lost to Ohio State in Fiesta (34-20)
2006 10-3. Lost to LSU in Sugar (41-14)
2007 3-9.
2008 7-6. Beat Hawaii in Hawaii.
2009 6-6.
2010 4-3
So, to recap, in the last 16 years, ND has gone 118-82-1, including 1-9 in bowl games which they lost by an average of 17,6 points. Yuck.
by skigator93 on Oct 21, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention...
Wolfman would eat Jimmy Clausen for breakfast. And Donna could totally take Brady Quinn.
Jorts: Beating Georgia with Stunning Regularity Since 1990
by Jean Shorts Torture on Oct 21, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
MeatChicken
I just want a crack at Michigan again. As bad as Florida Fans can be Michigan fans make us look like saints. God forbid you work with a Wolverine because they will raz you about the Capitol One Bowl three years ago – even if they were terrible ever since. I point only to the collection of crystal balls and say good day … TO YOU SIR I SAY GOOD DAY!
Yeah. But to be fair to their fans. 99.5% of teams wish they had the history that Michigan does. They’ve got national titles, conference titles, the wins, the fan base…etc that other teams dream of. They just haven’t really done all that much since the late 90’s. They were very good in the mid-2000’s though. Very good.
That Capital Bowl (Citrus Bowl) game in Jan of 2008 was a joke. If the Gators had half a defense that game wouldn’t have been close. On the funnier side, that was the last bowl game they have played in. Though things seem to be picking up (slightly) for them now-a-days.
The Once and Future King
Also, as the Gators haven’t played a regular season OOC game west of the Mississippi in…well, who knows how long?
That would be the game that silverstrek93 pointed out…September 10th 1983. At Southern Cal in the Coliseum. The Gators were ranked 18th and Southern Cal was ranked 9th. The game ended in a 19-19 tie.
The Gators also played Rutgers at Giants stadium on October 18th 1986. A 15-3 win for the good guys.
The Once and Future King
UTAH. We love us some quality ranked SEC meat.
Urban wants no part of Utah and Kyle Whittingham. EVERY UTAH fan is waiting for this GAME! 09 – 10 would have been your best shot for a split. Next year and there after look for Utah to be a dominate team in the PAC 12 South. Now I don’t expect any of y’all to buy this…. neither did Bama an we ran them out of the building. Honestly Bama has to be the BYU of the south. Roll this! I’d ask how you put up with the incessant chant “Roooooooll Tide-Roll!”, sweet home alabama (Over and over), and overblown collective ego… but we’ve had BYU forever so I think I get it??
Urban we still have some love for you. We wouldn’t be here without you. So PLAY US!!
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I also voted for Utah, I'd like to see that within the next 5 years.
I know this is supposed to be about the future, but 07-08 would have been a great home-and-home series with Utah.
Tim Tebow 2010.
Bring the hate.
Feed the beast.
I didn’t submit a home and home suggestion,either but voted for Michigan.
However, I think a ongoing series against Rutgers would make more sense in terms of better exposure to potential recruit in the NE. I’m guessing there’s a good Gator fan base in the area (and its easy to get to).
That being said, when could a game like this be played? If we were trying to do it this season it would have to be one of the first games; we wouldn’t want to fill in our bye week before Georgia, or our playing bye week before FSU (not to mention that who wants to play in NJ in November?).
Still want Nebraska.
Top flight historical program, quality team right now, and yet still very beatable.
And anyone who remembers the 1995 season will enjoy the revenge angle. Suffering one of the worst blowouts in school memory during our first chance to earn a national title? Who wouldn’t enjoy thrashing that team fifteen+ years later?
That said, voted for Michigan. Minor revenge for the Capital Bowl loss will have to suffice…
"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer
eh
USC should have been included. I did forget about their epic 80’s matchups, but still. the powerhouse of the Pac 10 against a powerhouse of the SEC. it would be good to see so that people on the west coast dont throw out that “east coast” bias BS.
FWIW - MLM
Notre Dame would have been just as good a game, significance/access-wise in my mind as Michigan, for many of the same reasons. I’d attend either of the northern games in a heartbeat, no matter what the cost. Of course, I had to vote for my own entry, though any of the other games would be awesome.
I just wish Foley would have the Gators travel outside SEC country once in a while…sigh…
Now that my suggestion (VT) is firmly in last place
I’ll admit that I would much rather see Florida play Michigan or Oregon or for that matter USCw, Notre Dame, Texas or Oklahoma. Virginia Tech would be great, but those would definitely be better. The reason I suggested VT was because I think it’s actually a little bit realistic.
Jeremy Foley will not put the Gators up against anybody on the West coast. Not only do we lose the gate from a home game, but we have to pay our way out there. Also, jet lag leads to losses even against inferior competition, and Oregon, USC and even Utah are not inferior competition.
On the subject of Utah, TCU and [insert mid-major here], ain’t never gonna happen not never ever. Forget it. Playing a team like that does nothing for Florida. A win means little because you were supposed to win, but a loss is devastating. It also helps the opponent in their recruiting. Recruiting is a national game now so the last thing you want is to help the competition. It’s the same reason Florida wouldn’t play Florida State for so long before the state mandated it. Why help little sister build a competing program when you can dominate the state like Ohio State does?
Speaking of Big Ten teams, we probably won’t be going down that road because we play them in bowls all the time. All the upper-echelon bowls with SEC ties pair us up with Big Ten schools (Capital One, Outback and now Gator). The Cotton doesn’t, but when was the last time an SEC East team went out there? I also think you’ll begin to see Big Ten schools dial back their out-of-conference schedules once they expand.
Virginia Tech is more realistic because they’re a “name” without being a real superpower. They’re not terribly far away but they’re still in an area where it would be beneficial for us to gain exposure (the only thing setting them apart from Georgia Tech, which would be awesome, too). As an added bonus: A loss in Blacksburg wouldn’t crush national title hopes.
But I suppose this should be a letter to Foley. I was supposed to come up with the most interesting matchup here wasn’t I? In that case I change my vote to Utah. I’ve never been skiing!
Jorts: Beating Georgia with Stunning Regularity Since 1990
by Jean Shorts Torture on Oct 21, 2010 8:19 PM EDT reply actions
Jeebus long
sorry.
Jorts: Beating Georgia with Stunning Regularity Since 1990
by Jean Shorts Torture on Oct 21, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Utah makes sense
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How about Georgia!?!?!?!
I would love to play Georgia “between the hedges” and have them come to the Swamp, but instead we have the event formerly known as the worlds largest cocktail party. Don’t get me wrong, Jacksonville is fun, but how awesome would it have been to crush them at their place for the last 20 years? I think they ought to do a Home-Away-Neutral three year rotation. The Cocktail Party would gain some popularity and novelty if it only came around every third year.
Regarding a 3 year rotation:
In order for this rotation to work, it would have to be a 4 year rotation, probably being home-away-neutral-neutral. The way it is currently set up, in odd number years, UF has only 3 SEC home games, with the WLOCP being UF’s 4th “home game”, and in even numbered years, the same applies to UGA. In order to keep that rhythm going, the UF-UGA rotation has to be an even number of years, otherwise you will have years with one of the teams having 5 SEC home games or 5 SEC road games.
I suppose you could figure out some complicated way to make a 3 year UF-UGA rotation work every year, but it would likely raise complaints from other SEC teams, as it would affect their schedules, and would probably result in some weird caveats like Alabama having to visit Auburn two years in a row or vice versa.
by KegelExercise on Oct 25, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions

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