Our Final Word On Urban Meyer And His Support Of The Freedom Of The Press
by mlmintampa on Mar 25, 2010 12:51 PM EDT
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PrintWork stuff this morning means we are late in posting this video of Urban Meyer confronting Orlando Sentinel writer Jeremy Fowler. However, if you haven't seen it, it is as awesome/hilarious as you imagined.
Let's break it down;
Meyer is actually pretty calm, until Fowler breaks out the "sarcastic cynic" face that is taught to all UF journalism grads. (As a telecom-news grad, I can say this because we are all happy and wealthy.) Meyer then gets excited, doesn't like Fowler's response (what the hell is he supposed to say?), and walks away. Fowler also says "Urban" like they are buddies and you know Meyer hates that. Meyer comes back when Fowler says he will, "play by the rules," but is clearly disturbed that Meyer signaled him out, considering the Miami Herald and Gainesville Sun also picked up the Deonte Thompson interview. That's when Meyer comes back to tell Fowler he's, "a bad guy," and Fowler thanks him, which is pretty much what anyone in Weimer Hall was taught to do with confronted by an excitable interview subject.
If that was it, it would be ok. But Meyer comes back and rattles on about how great of a kid Thompson is and how Fowler should call Thompson's parents. That really bothers me because it implies that Meyer or a UAA media person told Thompson he did something wrong. It's like failing a test, but telling your parents you aced the other ones. No one thinks Thompson said anything wrong, not even Tebow. That's where Meyer tells Fowler, "if that was my son, we'd be going at it right now." Urban finally walks away, leaving a few sportswriters uncomfortably smirking in his wake.
I don't think Fowler did anything wrong in all of this. I don't think Meyer's intent is wrong, because he thinks he is defending Thompson from media coverage. However, it should have been done in private, it shouldn't have been targeted at one guy or newspaper, and Meyer only added to any controversy. Punishing the press has always been a UAA media strategy and it should have ended when the guy who started it got charged with kiddie porn distribution.
It's also not fair to threaten to remove a newspaper from covering the team or threaten physical violence. As awesome as it would be to see Meyer fighting someone, while wearing the long sleeve t-shirt, it's not cool. In terms of coverage, I've written before about how the Orlando Sentinel covers the Gators like they are the Yankees. This is good for you as a fan, but bad for the Gators. More exposure for the most popular team in the 4th largest state is not always a good thing.
All of that said, Urban should not apologize. While I think he is actually defending Tim Tebow (remember, Thompson implied that John Brantley is a better quarterback than Tebow), I don't want Urban showing weakness. Between this and his retirement/unretirement, he has already shown enough. As for Fowler, who is my favorite beat writer, nothing should change on his end. He has a job to do, and he must be doing it well if accurate quotes are enough to anger people.
By the way, I also think Brantley will spread the ball around better than Tebow. Brantley will win as many Heisman Trophies and National Championships as Tebow, too.
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Good post.
Fowler was being a smart ass to Urban that was quite obvious, and when your tryin to put someone in their place and theyre being sarcastic, thats enough to get anyone pissed off, reasonably so. Im not sure the bad guy comment was totally necessary tho, i probly wouldve punched him. This is pretty much just a big media mess that we dont need this early into spring practice.
As for that last sentence, I think John has some Heisman winning pontential, but thats just me.
I think replacing Percy is the most important factor to getting our offense cranking.
We get Debose or Rainey to spread the defense out, Brantley will simply pick apart the opposing secondary.
We let the opposing defense key on 1-2 WR’s and our RB, and it’ll be a stretch for Brantley to put up some “Heisman worthy” numbers.
I am eager to see how he performs with a close game on the line – then we’ll have a really good indication how much hardware he will bring home.
Tim Tebow 2010.
Bring the hate.
Feed the beast.
"Put someone in their place"????
I don’t think Fowler ever left his place. It’s not like he is a 3rd grader. Urban was trying to talk to him like he was one. I don’t blame Fowler for how he reacted (which really wasn’t much, anyways). What the hell was he supposed to do with Urban acting like such an idiot and hardass?
I back Urban on this episode
To me it says the following:
If you are a top recruit and you come to UF, and you take care of your business – get good grades, work hard in practice, stay out of trouble, then Urban will have your back. He’s protect you from reporters who print things you say when they don’t come out exactly like you mean for them to.
I’m alright with Meyer protecting any good Gator against any media member. That includes Thompson, Tebow, etc. The story is that Thompson is excited to play with Brantley because they have a chemistry that he didn’t have with Tebow. Not that he didn’t like Tebow. I think one thing that made Thompson uncomfortable playing with Tebow is he dropped too many damn passes – I remember one deep one that hit him in the mitts on the fly (can’t remember the opponent though)
The Gators are run like the mafia – with Meyer as Don Corleone. If you serve the family, then the Don will protect you. And if anyone says or writes anything bad about you, they might find a horse head on their pillow….
As for Brantley, I am hopeful about his abilities, but I don’t want everyone to expect too much with Heismans and championships. Let’s first see him lead the offense against UT’s first string before we pencil him into the Heisman race. He’s looked great against Charleston Southern’s backups, as well as feeding Mike Gillislee against UK, but I want to see him do it when the score is 0-0. I am optimistic, and it will help that he’ll have the first team around him, but let’s let him grow into the position!
As a Weimer Hall graduate, I was embarrassed to read the Andreu post. Never, NEVER, it is acceptable for a reporter to be threatened by the subject he is dealing with, in sports or otherwise. You are taught as a reporter that your best defense is the truth and that will protect you. In this case, the truth was reported and Andreu still thought it was perfectly fine for Meyer to do what he did. Andreu is either on the UAA payroll or hoping that by defending Meyer, he can get better access. (Remember, Urban’s first post retirement interview was with the New York Times. The Gville Sun had to be embarrassed by that.) Also, I’m totally biased on this since I went to school to be a reporter and I’ve dealt with an excitable coach. Meyer has every right to defend his player, whether you believe he is defending Thompson or Tebow, but not in this manner.
As for your “Godfather” analogy, I thought of a totally different thing; in “Godfather Part 1,” Sonny and Vito meet with Sollozzo, who wants money and protection to deal drugs. Sonny reveals his interest, but Vito wants nothing of it. As they leave, Vito says to Sonny, “Never let anyone outside the family know what you’re thinking.” Sollozzo ends up trying to have Vito killed to get Sonny to run the Corleone family and get in the drug business. Of course, Vito recovers but gives up Godfather to Michael after Sonny was killed on the Jones Beach Causeway.
By the way, if Meyer spoke to Fowler in private or on the phone, I think he could still flip out because it would be off the record. I’d rather have that, than an out in the open physical confrontation.
mlmintampa
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I’m totally biased on this since I went to school to be a reporter
No kidding.
If you can honestly say that Fowler’s blog post (and the accompanying “Deonte Takes A Shot” tweet) were reflective of any kind of objective truth in this situation, and not just a guy juicing up an ambiguous-at-best quote in order to get some page views, I think that bias might be obscuring your vision; you should get it checked.
This is, once again, an example of a media narrative that has replaced any hope of an honest, thoughtful consideration of the facts at hand (see Spikes, Brandon; “eye-gouging”), and you’ve swallowed it hook, line and sinker once again.
Ever consider that reporters, sometimes, get it wrong?
by wangalusa on Mar 26, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice job on the edited quote to lead off your post. That’s far worse than anything Fowler did. He accurately quoted Thompson.
Can you show me where Fowler says, “Deonte takes a shot” on twitter? Because there were three tweets on Monday; the quote, the blog post, and Fowler saying, “In fairness to Thompson, he either meant Brantley is more of a traditional-style QB or he wanted to slight Tebow.”
If you want to criticize Fowler on anything, it is that he did not assume something. He quoted the guy, because that was the facts. If Fowler is guilty of anything, it’s not asking a follow up and walking Thompson back through his quote. But there were other reporters there. Any of them could have asked a follow up. (The Gville Sun video started with Thompson’s quote, but I didn’t see Urban going after them. Maybe that’s why Andreu is in the UAA pocket because he knows his paper accurately reported the quote, too.) If Meyer is going to get pissed, get pissed at everyone for not holding your player’s hand during an interview. And get pissed at the UAA for not having someone there during the interviews to act as traffic cop. It’s not the reporter’s job to protect their subjects, that is the job of the media relations team.
As for my bias, you don’t have a right to know that I worked for the Alligator, Gatorzone, WRUF, WUFT or WCJB. But I tell you that because it gives background for why I am qualified to write about the Gators. In this case, it explains why I value and treasure the ability for an independent press to cover news or sports without interference. If a media outlet is in the pocket of the people they cover, our opportunity to become educated on the subject is drastically decreased. You would never hear about who is injured, who is acting up in practice and who is playing good or bad. If you don’t value an independent press, you can read Gatorzone for all of your Gator news. (By the way, I have criticized the press when it came to forcing Brandon Spikes to suspend himself and the Orlando Sentinel writing about UF like they are the 80’s Hurricanes. I have also written about the relationship between teams and the fans and press that cover them.)
In terms of reporters getting it wrong, that is in the eye of the beholder. I watch CNN because I think Fox News and MSNBC are both wrong for leaning right and left. I like reading Fowler and the Palm Beach Post’s Ben Volin because they break stories, not waiting for the UAA’s press release. I like Pat Dooley because he isn’t afraid to be critical and is fair to people who think the opposite of him. Do reporters and writers make mistakes? Of course they do. But I rather have them (or me) make a mistake because it was honest, and not malicious or careless. In this case, I don’t think Fowler was wrong in anything.
We may disagree, but like I said with my bias, it is due from coming from a journalism background. /sorry for the long response.
mlmintampa
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The Quote, the whole Quote and Nothing but the Quote
Ok. Here’s why I side with Meyer on this matter.
The below is a reader’s comments in response to Fowler’s take on what happened. Here’s the link to Fowler’s latest reaction on why he feels Meyer was in his grill
Now here is one reader’s responses at the end of this latest release by Fowler:
Not even halfway through your blog you lied about the quote in it’s entirety. Here is the REAL quote, in it’s entirety:
"Brantley is a pure passer," Thompson said Monday after the Gators’ second spring practice in full pads. "He isn’t trying to run. He’s just straight pass. Tebow, you just never know. You just never know with Tim. He can bolt. "You think he’s running and then he can come up and pass it to you, so you have to always be ready all the time. With Brantley, everything is rhythm, time and, like, you know what I mean, a real quarterback."
That quote was reported by Joseph Goodman of the Miami Herald. By leaving out the first part of the quote, you attempted, successfully, to stir up controversy. I guess the Herald writers just have more honor. It’s a shame man. I thought you were a good reporter until this.
Reply Posted by: Philip Trippe | Thursday, March 25, 2010 at 10:51 PM
The headline says it all. Your headline- \Florida Gators WR Deonte Thompson sounds happy to usher in post-Tebow era\ Goodman’s headline- \Florida Gators WR Deonte Thompson ready to impress\ You don’t even have to read past the headlines to understand the intentions of these articles. Goodman calls it like it is, Thompson being optimistic about the upcoming season. Fowler, on the other hand, takes the sensationalistic route. He turns an innocent article about a WR into an article about a WR ripping his former QB. It’s pathetic. I had been citing your articles, in positive light, on the Gator site that I work for, but after this, I will definitely reconsider. Kudos to Urban for sticking up for his players and calling you out for your attempted ridiculous tactics. Any educated reader can see who is in the wrong here.
Reply Posted by: Philip Trippe | Thursday, March 25, 2010 at 11:01 PM
I tend to agree with Mr. Trippe here.
The quote really was taken out of context – with the previous statements, the quote sounds much more benign. It looks to me like the Herald reports the news and the Sentinel stirs the pot….
I like Volin, too. He posts occasionally over at GatorCountry. You might be interested in his take on those chiseled-in-stone, immutable-evidence blog posts—note his last sentence:
http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showpost.php?p=3900489&postcount=39
He also had a few tweets on the subject:
“Our job is not to play “gotcha” with these 21 year old kids who aren’t good public speakers. Responsible reporters ask follow-ups" http://twitter.com/GatorBenPBP/status/11011031140
“All I will say about this is that 8 people were in on that Deonte Thompson interview and only one person ran right home to post that quote” http://twitter.com/GatorBenPBP/status/11008216221
Interestingly, this last tweet no longer appears on Volin’s page—OMG HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!?!
People change stuff to make themselves look better in hindsight, even the noble Fourth Estate.
I know, I know,
dead horses, but Brian Cook makes some pretty good points, here, and I’d like to hear your (and especially Fowler’s) explanation for his editing his original post:
In my humble opionion the story boils down to this
Casual comments from unsophisticated student athletes can be twisted to inflammatory digs by “reporters” who must stir controversy to sell papers. A head coach at an institution of the magnitude of UF struggles to maintain continuity from last year’s team to this year’s team. Continuity from one championship team to another is necessary to build confidence and a sense of history in young players. When meddling "reporters"" try to pit one years team against another to gain fodder for a “story”, they deserve to get their heads bitten off by the man who produces winning teams. Newspaper people are like vultures picking at a wound to elicit any reaction that might give them something to print. The news media is absolutely essential to keep the public aware of newsworthy events. They can be our biggest allies when we are confronted by real meanies. In this case, get off Urban’s back and let the man coach.
What an Idiot
I realize that I’m a biased Tennessee fan but can anybody seriously try to defend Meyer in this situation. First of all if you havnt read Fowler’s original article you miss half the story (Note: the Miami and Gainesville papers had articles regarding Thompson’s quote). In my opinion he says nothing negative about Thompson, but essentially says that Thompson is working to become the #1 receiver. Yet somehow Meyer takes this article as a knock on Thompson and decides to come after Fowler. In the course of Meyer’s verbal assault he calls Fowler a “bad guy” and says “they would be going at it” if that was his son. All of this because Fowler was doing his job. Haha, my level of respect for Meyer has somehow been lowered again.
*If anybody can try to defend Meyer in this situation please present your case.*
It's simple Cubs in the spring and summer, Vols in the fall and winter.
Fowler's a bad guy OooOoo
c’mon, Meyer is fine. Fowler’s a bit sarcastic but its nothing bad. Just blown out of proportion.
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Totally agree.
It was a BS move. Getting into the face of a reporter, making him answer you like a small child, all for reporting the facts? Foley didn’t make anything up. He reported a quote verbatim. He wasn’t trashing the kid, he was reporting, ya know, what he is paid to do.
Urban Meyer is a bully and acted like one. Threatening violence? Going to kick him out of practice? It is the behavior of a bully picking on a kid two grades below him. I am guessing that if the reporter was the size of some of his players, this situation would have played out much differently.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 25, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If anybody can try to defend Meyer in this situation please present your case.
Love how the Vols fans tryin to be a bad ass tryin to get a argument started like this is the Brandon Spikes thing all over again.
It really not a big deal the man got pissed off…..lesson of the day: Dont fuck with Urban. done deal.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 25, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
lesson of the day: Dont fuck with Urban. done deal.
Is this really the message you want to send? This is a state employee, leading young men, not a bouncer at a club.
He should be a better example.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you may need to get over it.
It’s his team he does what he needs to to protect his players. If that means making a scrawny reporter cry a little bit on twitter so be it grow some balls and watch what you say in your articles.
By the way i dont think his players really cared, theres an article about how the whole team loved the way he handled it.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 27, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s his team he does what he needs to to protect his players
Protect them from what exactly? Questions from reporters? There is an easy way to do that, just don’t make them available for questions.
If that means making a scrawny reporter cry a little bit on twitter so be it grow some balls and watch what you say in your articles.
Watch what you say in your articles? What do you not understand about a direct quote?
By the way i dont think his players really cared, theres an article about how the whole team loved the way he handled it.
Have a link? I can’t find that article.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok smart guy.
Its his job to protect them from bad publicity as much he can, what the hell else would i be talking about? I dont think college coaches are allowed to prevent theyre players from talking to the media. But i could be wrong im sure mIm can correct that for me.
I understand that he didnt have to put that quote in there. It made Thompson look like a thug which hes not. If he absolutely had to put it in then he couldve explained that he wasnt ripping on Tebow just explaining how Brantley is a traditional pocket passer. The kid didnt just say “Brantleys a real quarterback” and walk away he said planty of other stuff that he couldve put in the article instead of that.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 27, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok smart guy
Off to a fast start.
I understand that he didnt have to put that quote in there. It made Thompson look like a thug which hes not.
If he didn’t put the quote in there, he would not have been doing his job. Many other papers reported the quote. Are the “bad guys” also? If I was his boss, I would have been pissed if he sat on that quote. Considering every other news outlet thought it was “newsworthy” I think that Foley was pretty smart adding in the quote.
The kid didnt just say "Brantleys a real quarterback" and walk away he said planty of other stuff that he couldve put in the article instead of that.
Again, it isn’t Foley’s job to only report stuff that makes UF and UF players look good. He is a reporter, not a cheerleader. Massive difference.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So your saying… if he had quoted another part of Thompsons interview instead of that on little snipit (spelling?) he wouldnt have been doing his job?
Ok so i guess if Thompson never said it in the first place he still wouldnt have been doing his job then right? i think if he quoted any other part instead of that part he still wouldve been doing his job. I never said it was his job to only report what makes them look good but he couldve saved himself all of this controversy and getting blown up on by not putting it in there.
He was creating a problem by putting it in and he probly knew it would stir something up, hes not dumb he had to have seen it coming.
And i dont care that “every other news outlet” said the same thing, which i doubt highly that they did, because theyre not the ones in question. Were talking about one quote from one author from one news outlet, so all the others are completely irrelevant in this situation.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 27, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said it was his job to only report what makes them look good but he couldve saved himself all of this controversy and getting blown up on by not putting it in there.
And when the Miami Herald and other media outlets reported the quote, who gets fired? It was a newsworthy quote, hence it was reported in the news.
As for the controversy, the only reason it has been drug out was because Urban Meyer went berserk.
And i dont care that "every other news outlet" said the same thing, which i doubt highly that they did, because theyre not the ones in question.
Then you didn’t look very hard. Here is another one. So, like you said, why did Meyer only go after Fowler?
Were talking about one quote from one author from one news outlet, so all the others are completely irrelevant in this situation.
You are either severely misinformed, or just making things up as you go along now. I have already pointed out another writer who had the same quote. Look at the video of the quote. Thompson is surrounded by reporters.
Don’t make stuff up.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats funny man
So this article that were commenting on isnt about only Fowler and what he said? Because i dont see anyone elses name mentioned in it. Nor was there any other reporter there who Urban blew up on…so we ARE only talking about one guy and his article. good try tho. No other reporters are a part of this story hence theyre irrelevant, but i give you props for finding another quote, but that guy’s name isnt Jeremy Fowler, and Urban Meyer didnt confront him.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 27, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So this article that were commenting on isnt about only Fowler and what he said? Because i dont see anyone elses name mentioned in it. Nor was there any other reporter there who Urban blew up on…so we ARE only talking about one guy and his article. good try tho. No other reporters are a part of this story hence theyre irrelevant, but i give you props for finding another quote, but that guy’s name isnt Jeremy Fowler, and Urban Meyer didnt confront him.
So why go off on Fowler again?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 28, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Contrast the 2 writers
Goodman from the Herald reported the entire quote. Had Fowler not tweeted the one statement – which by itself appears extremely inflammatory, then none of this happened.
Goodman chose to be a reporter and report that Thompson is looking forward to being a big part of the offense this season. Fowler chose to run home and tweet “you know, a real quarterback!”
Trust me, Fowler was far from the only one.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but bvloggers are different
They aren’t as accountable as those working for a mainstream newspaper.
I was under the impression that most area newspapers ran the quote, not just Fowler.
I don’t know for sure so I am willing to take your word on the subject.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 30, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I should note that newspaper writers should be held to a higher standard than bloggers. How much though should be debatable.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 30, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Urban Meyer is not a state employee
UF coaches are paid by the UAA, which is funded by boosters, ticket sales and non-public revenue.
mlmintampa
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by mlmintampa on Mar 27, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tennessee fans really have no room
to talk about statements and actions by other SEC head coaches. Now run along and watch your basketball teams. UT IS a basketball school now, right?!
If Meyer is getting worked up over this
then imagine what hes gonna do when its 4th and 2 and he doesnt have Tebow. Im sure his doctors are really happy to hear about this incident.
It's simple Cubs in the spring and summer, Vols in the fall and winter.
Actually
IF you knew what you were talking about you would know we have a QB named Jordan Reed who is almost as big as Tebow and can run, Urban has already told the media that hes going to use Jordan as the short yardage guy like Tim was. So im sure his doctors are glad to hear it.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 26, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Or....
He could just hand off to Moody….or Rainey….or Demps….or toss to DuBose, or….punt and let Powell and company do their thing.
Its clear the reason Meyer lost his cool was..
He is sick of people like you and your Anti-Tebow agenda. I dont know the intentions of the reporter, but its clear when you read the article it is meant to come off as anti Tebow. Dont come into the Urban Meyers house and ask questions and write articles with intentions to back door Tebow.
He may not have meant for it to come out that way, but thats how it came out. And you can say he is just reporting the facts and all that BS, but dont ask questions with the intention of back dooring a former player that Meyer has said is like a son to him.
AND YOU VOL FANS HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK. You defended Lane Kiffin all year long last season, like blind idiots.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
And you can say he is just reporting the facts and all that BS, but dont ask questions with the intention of back dooring a former player that Meyer has said is like a son to him.
First of all, how was the question a slight to Tebow? He asked what was the difference between the two. Is the Florida media at the point where they cannot even compare other players to Tebow? Don’t be insane. The reporter was doing his job.
Do you not want your reporters asking tough questions? Would you rather have your reporters ask nothing but soft ball questions (which this was by the way)? Please.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok I was wrong for jumping to conclusions about the whole Tebow thing.
When I read the quotes ALONE, I WAS FINE WITH IT. That is on record on this site.
Once I read the article, it was clear that the intended message was: Thompson is glad Tebow is gone. Which is NOT how Thompson feels. His quotes do not say that, but the title of the article implies it not to mention his wording. And I read that Fowler went back and adjusted the article a little, (why would he do that). Check on TSK with writer Year2 for that source.
So its clear why Urban was upset, but yes he could of handled it better which I have also stated in a different thread. Ask tough questions, but dont ask tough questions with the intention of a controversial answer to get hits on your blog when your a guest at the Swamp. When your invited to a teams practice, your expected to show a little more respect than the rest of the media, since they are allowing you to be there in the first place.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
You get Thompson is glad Tebow is gone from the title of:
Florida WR Deonte Thompson ready to finally maximize his potential
Really? That is quite a leap. C’Mon, be realistic here.
When your invited to a teams practice, your expected to show a little more respect than the rest of the media, since they are allowing you to be there in the first place.
Respect is a two way street. Someone should let Urban know that.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
As I said before, Meyer could of handled it better. But I can see why he lost his cool, which isnt condoning it, just understanding it.
Here is the story, read it.
Florida Gators WR Deonte Thompson sounds happy to usher in post-Tebow era
No but I do get that from this.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
That was the Herald Headline
The Sentinel tweet was something to the tune of “Thompson disses Tebow?”
I will take your word on that, I couldn’t find it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I will admit, if that is true, that doesn’t make Fowler look very good.
Still didn’t deserve the dressing down, but probably not the best piece of his writing.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 30, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Here it is
As head coach you must preserve and protect team history, chemistry, and solidarity. As a sportswriter in a dying industry, you dig like a Juarez whore for anything that might produce a sensation. When today’s sensation dies down, you go create another one. Fowler reminds me of Bill Laimbeer. Punch, gouge, slash and at the first sign of resistance, flop on the floor and cry foul. Any more questions cubbie?
The idea that a newspaper sensationalizes holds some water, but to get website hits, not sell papers. I was at an event with a few Tampa political writers and they all said if you put certain words in articles (“Palin” , “healthcare reform” being two examples), you get clicks. It was strange hearing that political coverage was based more on what got people freaked out, rather than the explaining the boring stuff.
mlmintampa
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If Thompson tells me that Brantley is better than the greatest football player of all time Tebow
I would do more than call him a bad guy, I would punch him in the face and tell him to watch what he says
Man your coach is KOO-KOO for Co-Co Puffs.
Hey DOUCHES, we are not Timmy haters. We are just tired of this do gooder being constantly shoved down our throats. We dont give a rats azz about how nice a boy Tim Tebow is, or how he has managed to cure hunger in all but two of the third world countries or the fact that he has earned every singel Boy Scout medal of honor three times or how his momma once had the thought of aborting him pass through her pea brain but since she decided not to she somehow convinced Timmy and everyone else in the state of Florida that he is the second coming of Jesus H Christ.
ITS NOT OUR FAULT, ITS YOUR FAULT AND URBAN MEYERS FAULT FOR CREATING THIS DISTASTE AND ANNOYANCE.
Look, it may have taken for years, but even the press in Orlando are tiring of the Saint Timmy story.
BTW, I live out west. I dont have an emotional attacthment to this story but man your coach is off his rocker. That dude obviously has some rather pressing emotional issues that need immediate attention. That dude is eatin’ to many bowls of Crazy Flakes in the morning.
What is he gonna do next nail Timmy to the cross for Easter and try to convince everyone that he really will arise from the dead in three days?
Man, its just too much, I cant believe you people dont get it.
by Oliver Clothesoff on Mar 26, 2010 8:25 AM EDT reply actions
We are just tired of this do gooder being constantly shoved down our throats. We dont give a rats azz about how nice a boy Tim Tebow is, or how he has managed to cure hunger in all but two of the third world countries or the fact that he has earned every singel Boy Scout medal of honor three times or how his momma once had the thought of aborting him pass through her pea brain but since she decided not to she somehow convinced Timmy and everyone else in the state of Florida that he is the second coming of Jesus H Christ.
Then dont pay attention to it, duh. If hes on sportscenter, change the channel, if hes in sportsillistrated, skip the article, if hes on alligator army, just go away. Simple as that, if your sick of the guy just ignore him….whats the point of complaining about being sick of reading about him when there are very simple and obvious ways to ignore him? And how is it our fault Tims famous? were just fans man, were not the press we dont work at ESPN and tell everyone to talk about him 24/7, we’re not some sleeper cell of Tebow terrorists flooding the airways with him, to say its our fault is kinda fuckin stupid.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 26, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
this
jeez when will these idiots learn?
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Mar 27, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldnt agree with you more
Verne Lundquist’s man crush love affair obsession with Tebow often made me mute Florida games on CBS.
It's simple Cubs in the spring and summer, Vols in the fall and winter.
And then you would go and blog about how much you hate Tim Tebow.
You tards are the reason Tebow has gotten to much coverage, because you haters eat it up like 12 year old watching porn for the first time.
Its like Howard Stern, the people who hate him, are the ones who made him. I know Gator nation is awesome and everything, but we cant make ESPN or any other media talk about him.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
this also
well said.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Mar 27, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't listen to Verne either
But it doesn’t have anything to do with his love affair with Tebow. It’s just that he cannot follow the game and calls half the players by the wrong names and sounds like a bumbling idiot.
Stay classy!
Please dont come here with your rants. AND I am speaking for everyone here when I say, you have no right to call any one a douche. You complain about Tebow, yet your one of the idiots who always talks about him. Bad publicity is still publicity you dumb ass. So if you are sick of people talking about him, QUIT F’N TALKING ABOUT HIM YOURSELF.
Gator fans arnt walking around ranting about Tebow, its you idiots who bitch about him 24/7 who cause ESPN to show his every move. Because idiots like you will watch it 37 times so they can find whats wrong with the story and tell your friends how dumb ESPN is.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Out west Oliver
By what turn of your diseased little mind did you come to embrace the idea that Gator fans give a fiddler’s fandango about you or what you think? Your comment contains the intellectual depth of a puddle of puke on a trailer floor. Your rant about Tebow, Easter and the Cross is about as unsavory as anything I have ever heard. Obviously, you need serious help in the mental departmment and tons of spiritual guidance. Try with all your might to get something together bro. You are a serious embarassment.
Brantley for Heisman???
Already? He hasn’t even started a college football game. That was bold. Real Bold. I am not saying Brantley isn’t good, but … that’s almost Habanero bold.
Boom-shocka-locka!!!
Brantley was a Gatorade Player of The Year, is a pass-first QB with NFL caliber RBs and a decent o-line. If he doesn’t win a Heisman, he will compete for them. Also, next year, UF will be a top-5 team. The defensive class they recruited will be the football version of the Oh Fours.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
http://www.alligatorarmy.com
Because Urban Meyers offense make QBs look 1,000x more awesome
The more talented the QB, the more awesome the QB will look. Was Tebow the best Meyer can get to run his offense? Maybe, its hard to find a better collge player than Tebow. But what Brantley lacks he makes up for 10 fold in other areas, like being a “pure passer.” lol
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Not trolling..
Just curious, what would be awesome about seeing UM fight with a member of the press or anyone for that matter?
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
Sorry, should have added /sarcasm. I have a warped sense of humor.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
http://www.alligatorarmy.com
The reason why Urban Meyer was so upset...
I dont know the intentions of Fowlers questions…But clearly Meyer thinks his intentions were bad. Meyer is probably sick of the anit-Tebow brigade more than any of us, supposedly he was like a son to him. So he does not want that shit in his own house. Maybe Fowlers intentions had nothing to do with Tebow, but the story pretty much came out that way. This is how non Gator fans will sum up the story…
- Gators WR thinks Tebow wasnt a good QB and is glad he is gone.* Meyer isnt having any TEBOW BASHING UP IN HIS HOUSE!
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Boys...
I believe we have just completely OWNED all the haters…job well done…proud of everyone we got alot accomplished today….Now lets partyyyy!!!!!
Of course its not really saying alot since it was like owning 4 year olds…DUUUUURRRR good argument fellas you really fought hard….Not.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 26, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
I believe we have just completely OWNED all the haters…job well done…proud of everyone we got alot accomplished today….Now lets partyyyy!!!!!
You really thought Meyer was in the right? Really?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and No.
Im kinda in the middle….i think he was right to confront the guy but he shouldve done it in private. After i read how upset Deonte was after ppl started giving him shit because everyone thought he was ripping Tim, i think it was the right thing to do. Fowlers quote made Thompson look like a punk who hates Tim Tebow, and Thompson was getting unnecessary hastle for it and it upset Urban for making one his very good players and a very good kid look bad. Its what a coach is supposed to do. But he shouldve done it in private.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 27, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he was right to confront the guy but he shouldve done it in private.
If he was going to do it, you’re correct. It should have been done in private.
Fowlers quote made Thompson look like a punk who hates Tim Tebow, and Thompson was getting unnecessary hastle for it and it upset Urban for making one his very good players and a very good kid look bad.
It wasn’t Fowler’s quote, it was Thompson’s.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It was Thompson’s statement…. a statement becomes a quote only after someone puts the statement into quote form. Since it was Fowler quoting Thompsons statement in his article, it’s ok to say that the quote belonged to Fowler.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 27, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Reporters are supposed to be wordsmiths
College athletes are not. Instead of keeping it friendly and asking for clarification, Fowler jumped on it and tried to get the maximum mileage out of it. He stepped on the coach’s toes in a very public forum and he got exactly what he deserved in that same forum. The Orlando Slantinel is a sensationalist ass rag that picks on easy targets. Local sportswriters have an obligation to serve local schools, their teams and fans, The problem here is that Sentinel reporters have learned their craft from the Enquirer, The Globe etc. A true journalist is never the story nor does he try to be. I would like to challenge aspiring writers to learn how to get the most out of each interview, print the truth or an artfully crafted fascsimile that does honor to the athlete, the school etc. The object is not to play “gotcha” with young athletes.
Instead of keeping it friendly and asking for clarification, Fowler jumped on it and tried to get the maximum mileage out of it.
Along with many other news outlets.
He stepped on the coach’s toes in a very public forum and he got exactly what he deserved in that same forum.
How did “he step on the coaches toes”? By reporting a quote? Really? This is insane! Should the reporters in Gainesville run every single quote by Urban? Give me a break. What kind of reporting do you expect from your reporters? By no means did Urban Meyer have the right to do that. None.
Local sportswriters have an obligation to serve local schools, their teams and fans, The problem here is that Sentinel reporters have learned their craft from the Enquirer, The Globe etc.
Local sportswriters have a obligation to report the FACTS. Again, Fowler made up nothing. He was the middle man. Yet, you think he should be raked over the coals? Again, he didn’t make up anything. He reported the quote verbatim. Maybe next time Fowler can twist the quote around to make everything in UF sound like it is coming up roses.
A true journalist is never the story nor does he try to be
Fowler didn’t do that. Urban Meyer did, yet Fowler gets the blame?
The object is not to play "gotcha" with young athletes
The interview/article I read didn’t have any sort of “gotcha” element to it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You probably read the toned down version.
But yes he lost his cool, we get it already. And he apologised. Its not that big of a deal.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
when it comes down to it
who really cares. if your gonna judge a coach because he didnt want his players to be perceived as bashing tebow, then i dont really care what you think. urban thought it was a slight against tebow, and he didnt like it. he new thompson was upset some people thought he was bashing tebow all over the national media!!! and was upset. these feelings translated to urban yelling at fowler…..get over it. he might have over-reacted, but if your looking for gator fans to suddenly be like “OH MY GOD URBAN IS SCUM BECAUSE HE YELLED AT A REPORTER, HOW COULD WE EVER LIKE THE MAN” then you are the very definition of dumb.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Mar 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
if your gonna judge a coach because he didnt want his players to be perceived as bashing tebow, then i dont really care what you think.
Ah, good to see that dissenting opinions need not apply in your world. If that is the worst that Tebow has heard, then he is in for a real awakening when he walks into a NFL locker room.
he new thompson was upset some people thought he was bashing tebow all over the national media!!! and was upset. these feelings translated to urban yelling at fowler
This is Fowler’s fault how? If you want to pissed at someone, it should be Thompson. In all reality, did he even say something that was incorrect? IMO, Thompson was 100% correct. Running QB’s, and Tebow is a running QB, are hard to work with as a WR. The NFL has shown this time and time again.
but if your looking for gator fans to suddenly be like "OH MY GOD URBAN IS SCUM BECAUSE HE YELLED AT A REPORTER, HOW COULD WE EVER LIKE THE MAN" then you are the very definition of dumb.
No, I was interested to see how the Florida faithful were reacting to it. Most fans on this site seem to be pretty level headed about it. Then, as I expected, you have the camp of fan boys wearing the orange and blue glasses that think that people should “just get over it”.
I bet you would be singing a different tune if Nick Saban did this to Bob Columnwritter from the Birmingham Baron.
By the way, if you are going to call someone dumb, you should probably spell check what you write. But I am guessing you already NEW that.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
People should just get over it.
When any coach gets pist at the media I think its funny. “I am a man!”
Its not that we are “fan boys” with “orange and blue shades on”…Maybe we just understand why Urban was upset and WHY he lost his cool. Sure he shouldnt have handled it that way, but opposing fans are making a big deal out of it because they already didnt like UM. Have you never lost your cool before? It just happens, no need for us fans to hang our heads in shame over it, as some people have suggested. So maybe some rival fans need to relax and stop drinking so much hater ade, because they have probably been in the same situation and should understand its not a big of a deal as they are making it.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Have you never lost your cool before? It just happens, no need for us fans to hang our heads in shame over it, as some people have suggested.
Here is the difference.
Urban Meyer and Joe Blow are held to different accountability levels. Urban Meyer, whether he likes it or not, is the main male figure in a lot of these young mens lives. For four-five years he is the main disciplinarian to these kids. He needs to be held to a higher standard.
If his players see him go off on a reporter for reporting a quote correctly, what is to stop them from doing this themselves next time? Why not? Coach Meyer did it last time. He is a role model for 85-100 young men every year, he needs to act like it. Threating violence to a reporter, or shoving a finger in a reporters face is not how you do that.
Again, I think Meyer is a genius when it comes to X’s and O’s. His off the field act needs polished, big time. That may not matter to anyone here, but at some point in time, it will matter. Hopefully it isn’t too late.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 27, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If his players see him go off on a reporter for reporting a quote correctly, what is to stop them from doing this themselves next time? Why not? Coach Meyer did it last time.
Thats not true at all. These players arent 5 year olds, and they know when to do something and when not to. They wouldn’t do that because if they did they would be suspended, by either the school or the NCAA maybe both.
Urban Meyer is a coach and has more wriggle room in these situations, coaches are very hard to suspend for thing types of situations, not to mention anything at all, players are not. Players know this and would never threaten a reporter. Your talking like these players are persuasive as 3 year olds who do whatever they see other people do, so far from the truth, these guys are college students at a very prestigious academic school, not toddlers.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 27, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that College coaches should be role models to the players.
But your right, just because a coach goes on a rant over a semi-controversial article doesnt mean these kids will go out and punch the next person in the face who talks back to them just because the ol ball coach lost his cool, so that means I can. Their not idiots.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Thats not true at all. These players arent 5 year olds, and they know when to do something and when not to.
Really? No, I am sure that these kids have a real grasp on right and wrong.
Urban Meyer is a coach and has more wriggle room in these situations, coaches are very hard to suspend for thing types of situations, not to mention anything at all, players are not
I am not saying that he should be suspended, but for him to have a “private” apology is classless. He jumped down his throat around everyone else, he should have done the same when he apologized.
Your talking like these players are persuasive as 3 year olds who do whatever they see other people do, so far from the truth, these guys are college students at a very prestigious academic school, not toddlers.
These are 18-21 year old kids. If you think that they are adults, then I am guessing you haven’t walked into a college bar in quite sometime.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 28, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? No, I am sure that these kids have a real grasp on right and wrong.
Never said these guys were perfect. People make mistakes, questioning these players without knowing them or their background is a real classy move man, good for you for briniging that up that really makes you look better in this argument.
These are 18-21 year old kids.
Pretty sure the title of “adulthood” starts when your 18.
then I am guessing you haven’t walked into a college bar in quite sometime.
Im 19 bro. I go to college parties every weekend. Good try. Just because we as young ppl have crazy parties doesnt mean we are stupid or bad ppl. Ive been through alot in my 19 years, i got too into partying and got addicted to some stuff i shouldnt have but i kicked it and I was voted best bestfriend in my highschool class, went through all four years with a 3.2 gpa and now Im joining the military in a couple weeks. Your speaking aout a very low percentage of people of my age that give the rest of us who are trying to contribute to society a bad name and these players arent in that low percentage.
The majority of these players come from dirt poor families and work their entire lives and sacrafice alot to make themselves better so they could make a better life for their family. So they make mistakes by breaking into a junk yard or shoplifting or getting into a fight with a kid whos not afraid to use his lawyer because he couldnt take a punch. That doesnt mean you have the right to put them into that “bad apple” catagory. No right at all dude. Just because were young and stupid doesnt mean were bad.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 28, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way.
If you wanna try to bash Florida on having alot of crime related incidents and alot of players and coaches with bad reputations i can do the exact same for Ohio State, if you really wanna play that cheap shit, just let me know im game bro.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 28, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said anything about Ohio State?
As for the coaches with bad reputations bit, I would love to hear why you think Jim Tressel has a bad reputation.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Okie Dokie.
According to a list compiled by The Associated Press, 20 Ohio State players were arrested or faced disciplinary action for rules violations between Tressel’s hiring in 2001 and 2005.
A number of the arrests were alcohol-related, but one player pleaded guilty to robbery, and another pleaded guilty to felony charges related to drug and gun possession. Two others were suspended after being charged with marijuana trafficking and passing fake in-house currency at a strip club.
Tressel may wear a sweatervest, but that doesn’t mean he tolerates such thuggery. Quarterback Troy Smith, who this season brought Ohio State its seventh Heisman Trophy, was convicted of misdemeanor disorderly conduct after a 2003 fight in a campus parking lot, where, a woman reported, her jaw had been broken
Want more? ok.
Tressel’s results as an educator remain embarrassing. Improvements in Ohio State’s graduation rates are almost guaranteed, as Cooper left them no place to go but up. Among the 64 bowl teams, only Georgia (24 percent) had a lower graduation rate of black players than Ohio State (32 percent). The study also showed that Ohio State scored 925 — a minimal level of acceptance — on the so-called Academic Progress Rating
Jim Tressel is responsible for the Maldonado and Clarett situations, as well as Marco Cooper, Troy Smith and other Buckeyes receiving payments, yet Buckeye fans continue to apologize and ignore this behavior, even pretending that he runs a clean program.
I can give you some dirt on Ol’ Woody Hayes too if you want? oh you do? ok.
Woody Hayes is idolized by Buckeye fans, instead of shunned due to his violent nature which consists not only of hitting Clemson players, but assaults in other incidents. And was also the headcoach during the Art Schlichter gambling controversy.
Ohio State has also been disciplined by the NCAA multiple times on the charges of giving improper employment and financial aid, improper recruiting entertainment and transportation, extra benefits, academic fraud, unethical conduct and questionable practice.
Art Schlichter bet on Ohio State games during his career there and the school covered it up by not telling the NCAA, at the time Ohio State was being investigated by the F.B.I, their reason for not telling the NCAA? they didnt think an FBI investigation into illegal gambling on games by one of their players wasn’t serious enough to inform the league.
All of these facts came from the website: ohiostatesucks.org
by gatorempire127 on Mar 29, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
P.S
the material was a little dated and the site was made in 2006, no updates to be had.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 29, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
All of these facts came from the website: ohiostatesucks.org
Well with a reputable source as this, I am sure this will be chock full of rock solid facts.
A number of the arrests were alcohol-related, but one player pleaded guilty to robbery
This would be Louis Irizarry. He was kicked off the team before he even suited up. So, 0 for 1.
Two others were suspended after being charged with marijuana trafficking and passing fake in-house currency at a strip club.
This did not happen at Ohio State. I believe you are referencing Ryan Perriloux. 0 for 2.
Among the 64 bowl teams, only Georgia (24 percent) had a lower graduation rate of black players than Ohio State (32 percent).
Those numbers are for four year graduates. If you take more than four years to graduate, as most students do, that counts against them. It is an outdated system. I noticed you failed to mention that Ohio State led the BigTen in All Academic nominations last season.
Jim Tressel is responsible for the Maldonado and Clarett situations
What were these situations? The NCAA investigated Ohio State and came away with nothing. Nada. Zip.
Unfortunately, Maurice Clarett has a lot of issues that I sincerely hope he is able to tackle in life. If he is the best witness you have, I doubt you have much of a case.
Troy Smith and other Buckeyes receiving payments, yet Buckeye fans continue to apologize and ignore this behavior, even pretending that he runs a clean program.
What other players? Pretty vague. As for Smith, he made a mistake. He took $500 dollars from a booster, he then reported himself, and was suspended two games. He did the crime, and he did the time. No one made any excuses for him, let alone Tressel. Smith came back, won the starting job and won a Heisman.
Considering you were the one banging the “kids make mistakes” drum, I find it odd that you condemn Smith for a “mistake”.
Woody Hayes is idolized by Buckeye fans, instead of shunned due to his violent nature which consists not only of hitting Clemson players,
A black mark on a wonderful career.
but assaults in other incidents
Such as? If you are going to allege that someone assaulted another person, you damn well better have some evidence.
And was also the headcoach during the Art Schlichter gambling controversy.
Not true.
Art Schlichter bet on Ohio State games during his career there and the school covered it up by not telling the NCAA, at the time Ohio State was being investigated by the F.B.I, their reason for not telling the NCAA?
This is a favorite of Michigan fans. Only problem is, that this just isn’t true.
Schlichter never once bet on an Ohio State football game. Again, he has had many issues off the field, but that had nothing to do with The Ohio State and certainly not Tressel.
Call me crazy, but this is a pretty thin case for a coach to have a “bad reputation”.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of these had links to NCAA sites that showed that it happened. And this isnt my wording a just copied and pasted it from the site onto here, thats why i sited the sit so i wouldnt be plagerizing.
If the guy was signed and on the team, doesnt matter if he suited up or not, he was still officially on the team. therefore 1 for 1.
I dont know who the fuck Ryan Periloux is nor do i care, thats what the site said, i copied and pasted it.
How wasnt Woody Hayes the head coach during the Schlichter controversy? He played for Hayes.
Prove he didnt bet on a game.
Your crazy.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 29, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Prove he didnt bet on a game.
That isn’t how this works.
You made the allegation. You need to prove it.
How wasnt Woody Hayes the head coach during the Schlichter controversy? He played for Hayes.
Okay, but Hayes wasn’t the coach during the time period you were speaking about. That was Earle Bruce. Hence my contention.
If the guy was signed and on the team, doesnt matter if he suited up or not, he was still officially on the team. therefore 1 for 1.
Okay, if you want to do it that way, then I could say Tressel doesn’t put up with stuff like that. Either way, the kid never played a game for tOSU.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Never said these guys were perfect. People make mistakes, questioning these players without knowing them or their background is a real classy move man
You were the one who said that the players knew from right and wrong. I was simply pointing out that in many cases, this is untrue. By the way, impressive straw man argument.
Pretty sure the title of "adulthood" starts when your 18.
In a very literal sense yes. Call me crazy for holding people to a higher standard than just the turn of a calender.
Im 19 bro. I go to college parties every weekend. Good try. Just because we as young ppl have crazy parties doesnt mean we are stupid or bad ppl.
Again, strawman argument. I never said that college students are bad people or that they are stupid. I said that most kids from the ages of 18-21 shouldn’t be considered adults just due the amount of days spent here on earth.
Im joining the military in a couple weeks.
I thank you 100% for your future duty. Anyone who volunteers for military service is a hero in my book, no matter how much we disagree on other things.
So they make mistakes by breaking into a junk yard or shoplifting or getting into a fight with a kid whos not afraid to use his lawyer because he couldnt take a punch. That doesnt mean you have the right to put them into that "bad apple" catagory. No right at all dude.
Please read this comment again. You are defending theft and assault. Is that what you really want to do here?
Again, at no point in time did I call anyone a bad apple. Nor did I say that Florida was filled with criminals. All I said is that you kids don’t always understand right from wrong.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
appreciate the "thank you" very much.
Again, i really have to disagree with your argument that young kids “dont understand right from wrong”. I think this is the best improvise we can make on this argument, all young people know right from wrong, whether they follow the rules and put their common sense into play in certain situations is a different story.
And your right it does make me sound like im defending assault which is not what i was trying to do, i was simply trying to sayalot of fights happen on college campuses, most of the time at parties, and most of the time the brawlers just forget about it after and strike it up to “we were just to messed up”, and obviously the couple of cases involving florida players were different and they just messed with the wrong ppl, for good reason no doubt.
None of this means they didnt know right from wrong, they just made very stupid mistakes and they paid for it. Most of what a said was in retaliation of my interpretations of what you were saying, if you say my interpretations of your arguments are wrong, then i guess i have no choice than to believe it cuz its your word against mine and theres really no way to settle it. Apologies for those misinterpretations.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 29, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is the best improvise we can make on this argument, all young people know right from wrong, whether they follow the rules and put their common sense into play in certain situations is a different story.
This would actually probably be the proper wording.
Again I am not trying to come here and “troll” as one of your fellow readers believes. I came here to see how Florida fans thought of the situation.
Just because we are having a discussion that is a little heated doesn’t mean that I have any ill will towards anyone here. As you can see, I have a fanpost up asking for info from some of you.
There is nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree. In fact, if everyone thought the same way, sports wouldn’t be much fun.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I dont think your trolling, and dont have any ill will for you personally i just dont like what your saying about my school, no big deal. Probly ditto on your end.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 29, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I am used to people crapping on tOSU. No big deal to me. I actually like/liked Florida when Zook was the HC, as he and my father used to play together.
As for Meyer, he is a Buckeye (THE HORROR!) and I have always taken a liking to him. He coached at my mothers Alma mater, BGSU, and did on hell of a coaching job at Utah.
Since he has been at UF he has done a lot of stuff that I found distasteful. The Shariff Floyd-God thing (I know it was denied), the reporter thing, etc.
For all the mans faults, he can coach football. I think he has been light years ahead of other programs when it comes to offensive X’s and O’s.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And i dont particularly hate OSU, i rooted for them for most of the tounry this year, had them in the final four in one of my brackets. I just know alot of OSU fans and they all think OSU is God’s gift to earth. Obviously there are those fans for every team but since i live in NY i dont meet many Gators fans like that except for myself. And i have to admit Tressel has a good offensive scheme and i like the way he mixes the old school smash mouth Big 10 style with a more modern way of play.
Urban is one hell of a coach, thats why when i get out of the service im going to school for sorts science and want to try to be a grad assistant at Florida and learn from the man himself.
Also one of my best friends is a Michigan fan and i love talkin shit to him after OSU beats Michigan. The best rivalery in college sports (never thought i would admit that publically) and its awesome to watch.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 30, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Geez, the coach is still a human being. Dont put him on pedastal, and everything will be alright.
He needs to be held to a higher standard
Just because you are a role model to kids doesnt make you perfect. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone loses thier cool some times. Thats why people call it losing your cool. Urban Meyer showed his kids that he is just a man like everyone else and his intentions were good but handled the situation wrong. He apologised for that. What else can you ask for?
If you get this worked up over Meyer, I cant imagine what you think of athletes like Tiger Woods or Kobe Bryant. People make mistakes, the real lesson is: How do they recover from them…
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
GET EM HOOK!!!!!!!!!!!
BETTER WATCH BOYO HOOK GOIN ON A RAMPAGE!!!!!! HELL YEAH!
could not think of a better way to end out this night when im drunk off my ass. YOUR MY BOY HOOKMAN!!! im so surprised i can actually type right now dde unreal.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 28, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
I have been there, and I wake up the next day saying… I had no idea what I was thinking when I typed that. Especially the drunk Facebook posts on friends walls I havent seen in years.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Yeah i dont really remember typing that at all.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 28, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because you are a role model to kids doesnt make you perfect.
Never said it did, all I said was that it means he is held to a higher standard.
Urban Meyer showed his kids that he is just a man like everyone else and his intentions were good but handled the situation wrong.
I don’t think his intentions were good, but we agree he handled it poorly.
If you get this worked up over Meyer, I cant imagine what you think of athletes like Tiger Woods or Kobe Bryant.
Difference is that Meyer is a coach. He is the overseer of these kids. Woods and Bryant don’t do that. Meyer goes into recruits homes and has to tell parents that he will be a good role model for these kids. That is the difference.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 28, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
You are reading way to far into this. What do you think his intentions were? Because even a rival fan that isnt being biased can admit he was trying to defend his player and just went the wrong route in that attempt.
in Meyer’s defense, he was doing (or, at least, viewed himself as doing) what Mike Gundy was doing; namely, defending his player from what he saw as an unfounded attack. I may find fault with the way he did it, but I respect what he did. (UGA Blogger TKK)
You just dont get it, just because he is in that “role model” situation, and just so you know so is Tiger, Kobe or any other sports athlete because millions of kids are doing the same thing right now and look up to them for that reason. So whether you like it or not, they are role models. Just because they are in that situation does not mean they are not allowed to screw up or make a bad choice. It happens to everyone. Its how they handle the miskake that helps the kids learn from his mistakes and how to handle them the difference.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Just because they are in that situation does not mean they are not allowed to screw up or make a bad choice.
Of course not, we are all human.
But there is no excuse for threatening physical violence. If you or I went into work and did that to a co-worker, most of us would be fired on the spot.
I give Meyer credit for apologizing, but for him to have a private apology after a public dressing down was wrong IMO.
Now let me ask you another question.
Could it be the reason that Meyer was really upset was because that maybe he feels that the quote was attacking him?
Do you think that Meyer owed it to Tebow to better prepare him for the NFL? Because in a sense, I think he did. Meyer’s job first and foremost is to win games. But a secondary part of his job is to get these kids ready for what comes after college, no matter if we are talking about a third string TE who will become an accountant or the starting QB who will go on to the NFL.
In that regard, Meyer failed Tebow in every sense. Tebow will need to relearn how to be a NFL QB. From footwork to reads. Tebow wasn’t a QB at Florida, he was a QB/RB/FB/Scorer. Isn’t that exactly what Deon Thompson was saying? Tebow was great for Florida, but that isn’t great for the next level.
Granted this is an assumption on my part. But that reasoning would explain the blow up much better than him defending a player.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh no
I don’t give a crap if another Coach yells at a reporter because it’s probably the stupidest thing to actually get upset about. I’m sure tebow has heard a lot of critism, I was saying that urban didn’t like his players bashing old ones….reading comprehension is your friend!
You were interested in our reaction to the smallest and stupidest stories of the year?
And thank you grammar police! Thank god you stopped by! Did you know most commenters don’t give two shits about their grammar on these things, because frankly it doesn’t matter. But by that response I can see I got under your skin. Keep thinking this is a big deal and get all hurt about it.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Mar 27, 2010 11:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was saying that urban didn’t like his players bashing old ones
Again, how do you know this? This is an assumption on your part. Do you know the old saying about that?
.reading comprehension is your friend!
Irony.
You were interested in our reaction to the smallest and stupidest stories of the year?
You must not have paid much attention to the media attention that this got. In fact, if it was such a small story, why was it on ESPN, Si.com, every radio station, etc., etc., etc. Just because you don’t think it is a big story, doesn’t mean that others feel the same way.
And thank you grammar police! Thank god you stopped by! Did you know most commenters don’t give two shits about their grammar on these things, because frankly it doesn’t matter.
That is fine. My point again, is if you are going to call another person “dumb” or an “idiot”, maybe you should check yourself first. Not grammar police, more like common sense police.
Again, even though I have disagreed with others on this site, I have been able to have cordial conversations with others like Hook85, and for the most part gatorempire. Too bad I couldn’t say the same for you.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 28, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It really isnt a big deal
Just because the media made it a huge spectacle doesnt make it one. If he hit a player, or helped them cheat on tests…thats a big deal. This is just a big news story because it Urban Meyer and the Gators. If this was some JUCO coach, nobody would care.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Right.
That’s the life in the spotlight.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
why should i have a "cordial" conversation with someone thats main purpose
was to troll? the reason they all had it as a “story” was because UM is a big name coach. i dont know how you missed that.
its pretty obvious that UM doesnt like players bashing other ones….i dont know how you missed that either.
my reading comprehension is good, yours is terrible.
you are the grammar police, i can call anyone i want dumb when common sense and logic elude them.
and just because i find that this not a big deal and completely disregard your point of view doesnt mean you have to get your feelings all hurt…..
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Mar 29, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
why should i have a “cordial” conversation with someone thats main purpose
was to troll?
How have I been a troll? Discussing Florida matters with a Florida fan base?
its pretty obvious that UM doesnt like players bashing other ones….i dont know how you missed that either.
If Meyer doesn’t like players bashing former players, as you say, then why didn’t Meyer go to the source of the issue? His own player? Why take it out on the messenger?
By the way, if Tebow didn’t think he was being bashed, why does Meyer have any right to say he was?
my reading comprehension is good
Again, irony at its peak.
you are the grammar police, i can call anyone i want dumb when common sense and logic elude them.
Again, I just want to point out that the common sense and logic you are referring to is that it is okay for someone to threaten violence because they are unhappy with a situation.
Bravo, I am sure the judge in your case will be fascinated with this defense.
just because i find that this not a big deal and completely disregard your point of view
Then why take time out of your obviously busy day to come by and call me names? Admit it, you kinda like me don’t you?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
not a troll he says
in response to this
my level of respect for Meyer has somehow been lowered again.
you say
Totally agree. It was a BS move. Getting into the face of a reporter, making him answer you like a small child, all for reporting the facts?
calling him names and comparing him to a small child isnt trollish behavior? this is how you intend to start rational conversations about an incident?
example #2
you say
You really thought Meyer was in the right? Really?
this is an actual question to ellicit a response to start a “discussion”? this quote right here reeks of “ill think what i think and theres no point in talking to me.” therefore with that attitude, coming on a UF message board to “discuss” it equates to trolling. again im not sure how you missed that.
keep calling it irony, but it seems your comprehension is still left wanting….
By the way, if Tebow didn’t think he was being bashed, why does Meyer have any right to say he was?
you mean two people can look at a situation and view it differently? whoa, no idea that was a possibility.
Admit it, you kinda like me don’t you?
thats a little weird…..and im not sure i should even approach it, but it does help me out with “understanding” you…admit it, 41-14 still stings doesnt it……
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Mar 29, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
calling him names and comparing him to a small child isnt trollish behavior? this is how you intend to start rational conversations about an incident?
Please show me where I called Urban Meyer a “name”. I’ll wait.
keep calling it irony, but it seems your comprehension is still left wanting
My comprehension is fine. As for your inability to understand what irony means, here, I will even google it for you.
you mean two people can look at a situation and view it differently? whoa, no idea that was a possibility.
Your opinion of what Tim Tebow finds offensive counts for more than what Tim Tebow says actually offends him? That is quite an ego on you my friend.
admit it, 41-14 still stings doesnt it
Again, where does this come from? Did I make any claims that Ohio State is the end all be all of awesomeness? Anyways…
For a week or so afterwards it did, at the time I was living in Atlanta the heart of SEC territory, but now, nah. Ohio State massively underestimated UF and was by no means prepared. Heacock was pantsed the entire game on defense. Totally deserved to get hammered.
But I am glad that you can still pull that one out of the holster whenever you need it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 29, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Urban Meyer is a bully
in the same comment no less!
Your opinion of what Tim Tebow finds offensive counts for more than what Tim Tebow says actually offends him? That is quite an ego on you my friend.
do you even understand reading comprehension? obviously that was in retort to your “urban cant find it offensive because tebow didnt” therefore implying that both tebow and urban can look at something and see it in a different light…..holy crap….
it had nothing to do with my opinion.
Admit it, you kinda like me don’t you?
thats why i mentioned 41-14. and yes it is nice to bring up the colossal ass beating the buckeyes took from the gators that year. always brings a smile to my face…
i really dont have th patience to deal with you anymore. i am sad your readers have to deal with you and makes me appreciate good thoughtful and articulate writers on this blogosphere, like mlm and brian galliford.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Mar 29, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
do you even understand reading comprehension?
The ability to provide accurate responses regarding questions concerning written language. Reading comprehension is dependent accurate reading ability, reasoning skills, attention and memory.
This is my understanding. Granted you may be hard to follow, as we have discussed before your writing style leaves MUCH to be desired.
I try my best, but I can only do so much.
obviously that was in retort to your "urban cant find it offensive because tebow didnt" therefore implying that both tebow and urban can look at something and see it in a different light
Again, I will try to put this in terms of your understanding.
If Tim Tebow finds no fault with Deon Thompson’s quote, why should Meyer? Why does he have the right? Unless Meyer thought that the quote was attacking Meyer.
As for the bully quote, you are correct, I did a poor job of getting my point across. I was going for the fact that he was acting like a bully. My fault.
thats why i mentioned 41-14. and yes it is nice to bring up the colossal ass beating the buckeyes took from the gators that year. always brings a smile to my face
Yawn. If you are going to be insulting at least be better than this. Colossal ass beating?
i really dont have th patience to deal with you anymore. i am sad your readers have to deal with you and makes me appreciate good thoughtful and articulate writers on this blogosphere, like mlm and brian galliford.
Anytime you feel like dropping by and discussing the Cleveland Browns, come on over. But I suggest you brush up on some minor things like spelling and punctuation. We don’t type like third graders.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 30, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
why the crap would i want to talk about the browns?
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Mar 30, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Spell check
You’re telling us Columnwritter is kosher?
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