FSU kicking Bowden to the curb went exactly as you thought it did
by mlmintampa on Aug 24, 2010 8:15 AM EDT
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PrintImagine if you had a college sports team that was a total failure. Now imagine if someone came in and built that team out of nothing. When the coach got older, he wanted to retire on his own terms. Would you let him? Or would you force him out by hiring an overpaid assistant coach, break an agreement and send him home like a grad assistant?
If you answered Yes to question two, congratulations, you could work for Florida State University. (By the way, that was FSU's president who did that stuff. I think that explains how the rest of FSU fell into the toilet in the last decade.) The Sporting News interviewed Bobby Bowden Monday, who accused FSU of forcing him out by hiring Jimbo Fisher against his wishes, breaking his contract and giving him a suitcase for a retirement gift. FSU's then President, T.K. Wetherell, played for Bowden. PROUD DAY, FSU!
Florida does not exactly have a clean soul, but it's pretty hard to top running out the only successful head coach in your history like he was an Eastern European dictator. UF might have ignored a Steve Spurrier return, but the OBC has a good enough relationship with UF to attend his Ring of Honor ceremony and allow a statue of him to be made.
Of course, FSU named their field after Bowden and built a statue and stained glass window of him, so they have every right to break an agreement to allow Bowden to coach into the 2010 season. I don't want to be seen as supporting Bowden here, but I do find it awesome that he is swinging for the knees of FSU's administration and athletic department. (I hate Bowden almost as much as I hate FSU.)
As for Wetherell, he loves his alma mater so much that he won't attend a FSU game this season. He also claims that firing Bowden was a bad as enduring the layoffs and budget cuts forced on FSU by the state legislature. (By the way, UF has had to deal with the same things, but President Bernie Machen didn't quit like Wetherell.)
Anyway, we hope that Bowden sells a lot of books and a lot of books on tape to FSU fans.
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It wasn’t so much UF ignoring Spurrier as it was asking him to interview like all the other canidates. He didn’t want too, so that was that.
But yeah, it was funny to watch Bowden get ousted from FSU. Seemed as if nobody knew what was going on.
The Once and Future King
believe me.......
Some knew what was going on. As unfortunate as the whole situation was, we were falling further & further behind the elite schools. As much as I hate to say it,Bowden did this to himself.
How many of the AA faithful would be accepting of Urban Meyer hiring family & friends instead of actually interviewing the best candidates? How far would you allow the mighty Gators to fall? How many 7 win seasons do you have in you?
Surely a consensus can be reached that incompetent leadership is unacceptable. We’ll have no more of it. Accountability is in fact back in Tallahassee.
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
We have three 7 wins seasons in us. (For the most part). As proven by the Ron Zook era.
And I can agree that Bobby did it to himself. Jeff Bowden was a disaster…etc. Hanging on to try and beat JoePa.
Incompetent leadership is unacceptable, it is just tough when it involves the biggest single person in a program’s/university’s history.
That is one of the many reasons Spurrier left. He said 12 years was enough and it was time to try something else. Because he didn’t want to reach that “point of no return” like Bobby did. Of course…that is just the way I saw it.
The Once and Future King
FSU's incompetent leadership started at the top
FSU allowed Bowden to do whatever he pleased, so they deserve blame for creating the monster. They put the value of their school in their football program and paid the price. That’s why when it came time for state ordered budget cuts, FSU was the hardest hit. They had put all their eggs into Doak Campbell and when the turnstiles stopped clicking, FSU was in deep shit.
As a Gator, all of this makes me very happy. But as a Florida taxpayer, it’s an abomination. FSU is the welfare queen of the state university system. Instead of trying to build FSU up, the state legislature drags down Florida and USF.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
http://www.alligatorarmy.com
As a Fl. taxpayer you should be pleased .
As a gator you should be excited to finally have some form of competition. Rest assured things will once again be competitive.
Smile, this is a win-win.
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
As FL taxpayer, I'm not pleased at all...
FSU has constantly used funding that should be solely used for academics and pulled strings and manipulated the system to funnel it into upgrades and use on the athletics side of the university…The fact that it has been allowed to continually happen is, as mlm put it, an abomination…
What’s next? We’ll all pay for your indoor practice faciltiy…total bullshit…
Scalpy, we’ll see exactly how competitive things will get…Jimbo has at least three more years of ass beatings coming at the hands of the Gators until Fraudulently Scholastic U has a even slim chance of staying in the park with a Meyer designed squad…and even then it’s doubtful that the Semis actually win…
Could it happen? Sure…Will it? Nah…
If the Florida taxpayers (I live in Tennessee but moved from Florida) end up paying for any athletic anythinig at a University (aside from maybe the founding, beginning of a school…maybe) is beyond pathetic.
The Once and Future King
At FSU , it's beyond pathetic and bordering criminal...
They couldn’t raise the dough to remodel the Erector set they called a stadium so they decided to call a couple of the areas ’classrooms" and placed a few administrative offices in there so they could appropriate state funds…
The sad thing being is that it really did nothing to improve the stadium and amounts to the old adage of "lipstick on a pig’…
Reality called, it wants you back.
In all seriousness, having an intelligent conversation w/ a gator is like trying to sell sand to the beach. At first you’re not even sure what the point is. Soon enough you realize, its not going to happen.
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
LMAO...
Are you trying to state that none of what I put forth above is true?
Did FSU not use taxpayer money to put that brick shell around the scaffolding that houses Ron Zook Field?
Unfair question
You imply that all the resources came from “tax-payer” money when I would imagine a heavy portion of the tuition I and thousands of other students paid took on the bulk of that investment.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Yeah...
it’s definitely in your imagination if that’s where you think that money came from…
Did student tuition also pay for all that frivolous appealment of your latest NCAA sanctions?
I'm with you on that point
The appeals were an embarrassment to the University. That it was allowed to take place only kept what had been allowed to happen on the front pages of the media that much longer.
Another mistake made to appease Bowden and his ilk.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Last paragraph is what i was referring to.
Only a fool would struggle to admit bowdens continued presence contributed to Urbans success.
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
FSU and UM being completely down
was the second biggest factor, easily. The first being hiring a great coach. Urban took advantage of a most opportune time. He deserves credit for that. There is no way he wins two in that same period if either UM or FSU weren’t running themselves into the ground.
Yeah. Probably true. I think FSU being down helps UF more than Miami being down. That’s just my personal opinion on the matter of course.
I do think though that if both of them are near the top or solid as it was during the 90’s…I still think Meyer wins one. We still would’ve had the services of Tebow and probably pretty much everyone else. Except for a few players who wanted to be ’Noles first but ended up at UF due to factors discussed by way of the responses here.
It would have definitely made it a whole heck of a lot tougher. But not impossible. Could it have been done? Most likely not.
The Once and Future King
Books on tape, lol
Free Shoes U fans can afford the Books on CD instead, because they ain’t spending money at the games anyways.
Get out of my House!
Over at Tommyhack Nation things are in full meltdown of backtracking denial...
They are all blaming SN’s Matt Hayes for “baiting” Bowden into making these defaming statements against…and I use this term loosely…the ’university"…
Apparently lost upon them is the fact that the guy they wanted fired in the first place made the same statements to the AP in an interview yesterday as well as in the exact book he’s being interviewed to promote…
I all due respect...
I think that Bud and those boys do a great job covering the Nolies and put out a lot of information and excellent pieces…
However, their arrogance is perhaps only second to that assjacker from AllCanes…
Arrogance?
Please explain.
There are other (paid) FSU sites out there that rhyme with “snore-can’t” who paint rosy colored pictures no matter what is going on for fear of losing insider information, but TN offers an unbiased approach to its readership. Heck, often times TN finds itself resorting to pieces which focus on educating their own readers and tempering enthusiasm with cold hard facts.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
The arrogance lies in...
that for some reason you all appear to think that FSU is actually relevant in the world of elite CFB right now…
Just not at the same level of AllCanes…but pretty close…
Then you obviously don't read the articles on Tomahawknation
Hard to carry on this conversation when you are so un-informed about the subject matter. Can you please check out the site first if you are truly interested in how we perceive our team?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
I just stated I do read it...
And thouroughly enjoy the pieces those guys put out…I would even say that Tommyhack is arguably the best CFB site in terms of it’s coverage…
You probably just don’t see the arrogance because it seems normal to you…
Hey, I might can even agree with you on that
We support different teams, not a lot of common ground when it comes to the Noles vs. Gators, but I can’t fault your logic here.
Maybe I am totally missing it because I call that place home.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Amazing job...
Not to bash the boys here at AA…but I wish that there was a Gator site that was that inside and informative…
Yeah, AA will be one day. It’s not quite there yet in terms of the coverage and stuff that TN is, but it will be.
The Once and Future King
It’s kinda hard with a full time job. We’re not in Mom’s basement doing this.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
http://www.alligatorarmy.com
LMAO...
Don’t get me wrong…I fully appreciate everything you guys do here…
I’ll definitely be around more since my other fave Gator site, Orange & Blue Hue, is now “off the air”…
Neither are the editors at TN
The head of the site just graduated law school and still managed to make that site into the best on the web.
“We” at Alligator Army is me. “We” at Tomahawk Nation is 18 people with writing privileges and seven of them who write often. That makes for a huge difference in quality and quantity.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
http://www.alligatorarmy.com
Recruit some help
You have a large and dedicated fan base, no? People going to the moon and curing cancer while giving the casual Go Gators on a leisurely stroll?
In all seriousness, I wasn’t taking a shot at you, I don’t frequent this site. I was just defending the people that run ours.
AA runs a quality site and mlm is correct that it is much easier to do with an army of staff
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Agreed on TN
A great site – I only get attacked by one guy over there which is fine because there is always going to be at least one jackass in the bunch. Amazingly though, no matter what I post (I try to be respectful on rivals’ sites), the same clown always pipes up with his same garbage.
Roll Bama Roll is another great blog – some of those guys are hilarious and the amount of content is pretty amazing. It seems there’s an awful lot of JDs running SEC blogs – (see Exhibit A, The Mayor over at Dawgsports).
It’s nice to see some activity over here – even if it is from rival fans!
Alright hippy i'll catch you on the flip-side.
Time to go to work. And let me stop you,I don’t sell burgers.
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
Of course not...
That would mean you would have to be able to count…
We all know that Noles only qualify as burger flippers…
Oh Yeah
an article in USA today? having JWJ on the front page of yahoo news with a ’Nole hat on is irrelevant? Do you get out much?
and stop bashing a beautiful stadium that has hosted some great games and is multifunctional with offices and classrooms not ‘just a stadium’. In March of 2004 the entire floor of the stadium was excavated 18 inches deep and the old pump drainage system was replaced with a complete wall-to-wall system built exactly to USGA golf green standards.
Our ‘erector set’ also houses the Florida State school of hospitality education where students in the program receive hands-on experience in various aspects of the food and beverage industry oh and one of the largest press boxes in college football with seating for over 250 members of the media
get your head out of the swamp
Prblem there is that the focus is on JWJ...Not the Noles...
Regardless of whom he signed with it would have made news…the relevancy that got the front page story belongs to JWJ…not FSU…
Too bad the administration didn’t do something about the drainage OUTSIDE the stadium…two years ago the flooding around the stadium was absolutely ridiculous…nearly knee deep in some places when we were trying to get in to the Dook to watch UF slap the Semis around Zooker field…As I said before “lipstick on a pig” adage applies here…
Lastly, thank you for bringing to light the points I was making above about FSU using academics money to renovate that cesspool of a stadium after it was unable to come up with the funds through boosters…as a FL taxpayer I say “your welcome” for paying for your renovations…
They are?
Maybe you could point that out to me. I don’t seem to see it. We’re pretty damn happy he’s gone, and most of us don’t care what he says.
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by DKfromVA on Aug 25, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps that's the case
As I’ve read every single comment in the original thread on the subject. While there is some mention of Hayes, it isn’t nearly as prevalent as the disgust toward Bowden’s ploy to sell his books. We know he’s bitter. We’ve always known that. We just don’t care. Those of us excited to attempt to draw competence back from the clutches of nepotism are elated that Bobby is no longer the coach of Florida State’s football team.
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by DKfromVA on Aug 25, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well put DK
Totally agree with this:
We know he’s bitter. We’ve always known that. We just don’t care. Those of us excited to attempt to draw competence back from the clutches of nepotism are elated that Bobby is no longer the coach of Florida State’s football team.
Very interesting to see a man who bills his own book as “based on faith” cling so tightly to his perception of how he was wronged.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Nice...
Not only are you bitching about the fact that Bowden called the school out on the way they handled his ouster…
But now you’re actually going to question the man’s faith?
No wonder Bobby has crappy things to say about you guys…
I call them like I see them
I’m not the one complaining to the media about how I was wronged when the employer I am lashing out against supported my entire family for decades.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
What do you mean?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Well, you act like FSU did him a favor...
And he got all this dough for him and his family…
I’m simply pointing out that FSU got more than their share in return with BB’s success…probably made out better than Bobby did in the end…
FSU by my count, was put on the map (in football), got that stadium (even named it after him)…etc. Yeah, I’d say they made out just fine.
The Once and Future King
Not to mention...
Things like enrollment increases which brings in more money in the forms of state funds, tuition and research grants…
All due to a 14 year span of success that was fostered by the very guy they took a dump on when they decided he was to old to be of any use…
Ahhhhhh. Good points. Yeah, those 14 years were and are still unbelievable.
The Once and Future King
Disagree
He was very well compensated for a job well done. The 14 year run specifically.
Even when his performance started to wane he continued to be compensated more than fairly for the better part of a decade. He even got a raise after posting a 7-6 season.
As in any business venture, when employees fail to meet the standards of their pay, they are given opportunities to improve their performance or seek employment elsewhere. When Bowden was presented the opportunity – instead of bringing in the best and brightest coaches available, he instead hired longtime friend Chuck Amato (who was coming off a failed venture at NC State) and an unqualified newcomer in Dexter Carter.
I think FSU held up their end of the bargain for much longer than Bowden did.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Except that football is not business...
It’s an extracurricular activity at an academic institution…
Professional football = business...
Collegiate football = extracurricular acitvity…
While it brings in money and serves up a surplus of funding at a few institutions, the overwhelming majority of the 120 FBS schools lose money on all sports and is a major liability to the bank accounts on those campuses…
You are talking about ALL athletic programs
Football is the money-maker sport.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
I thought we were talking about athletics in general
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Either really...
As a whole sports in general don’t make money…
But yet only a small handful of FBS football programs even turned a profit last year…
Gatorhippy...
Where are you finding your numbers? Never turned a profit? You are blatantly making things up and telling other people to check the facts….talk about arrogance.
http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/expense_stat/show?school_id=144
Football had a $6,600,824 profit during the 2004-05 season. That is not an outlier. BCS College Football is a business. Is it a coincidence that TX, OSU, UF, Bama, OU, LSU, etc are consistently near the top of the college football world? Is it a coincidence that they have top notch coaching staffs?
Touche...it was admittedly pure supposition...
So you’ve shown me one year that FSU actually made money on their football program…
However, it’s not a “business”…it’s an extracurricular activity…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
And this is the point when
you stop arguing with a fool…cause from a distance people can’t tell who is who.
I hate to disagree with you…but man…college football is a business. If it wasn’t nobody would get fired.
The Once and Future King
Sorry, boys...
It is NOT a business…CFB can’t stand alone outside of the institution…It is a part of the business that is the academic institution it is affiliated with…
You don’t think that the Florida Gator football team could survive without the University?
We are going to have to agree to disagree my friend.
The Once and Future King
Without the University of Florida...
There would be no Florida Gator football team…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
It's still a business
That’s like saying stadium concessions isn’t a business either – but I can assure you it is. Just because a business needs the university to survive, doesn’t take away its status as an actual business. If that were the case, then there would be absolutely no businesses in Gainesville, because every one of them is dependent on the university.
Ah...but those businesses would remain open or can move to another area...
Florida Gator Football cannot…
I’ll agree about stadium concessions…they most certainly are a business and are tied directly to football…much like televison, merchandising and ticket sales…however, CFB in itself is NOT a business…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
That comment was like a bukkake of stupid.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Aug 25, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't confuse the fact...
…that because a extracurricular activity brings in money that it’s a ’business"…
And even if you want to consider it that…it would be a failing ’business"…
Hypothetical situation
Since UF did turn a profit last year and Urban Meyer has successfully pulled your program out of the crapper it was in…
Let’s say he suddenly looses his heavenly favor and forgets how to coach but is hell bent of catching Bowden’s win total at the pace of 6 or 7 wins a years extrapolated over 42ish years.
What does UF do?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Umm yeah...
UF’s football prgram has been turning a profit annually for nearly thirty years…
And exactly what “crapper” did Meyer pull UF out of?…Gators are the winningest team in CFB over the last twenty years…
And should that happen, I can assure you that UF would handle it alot better than sending Meyer out with a suitcase as a parting gift and having the QB make the announcement while the president hides behind his office door…
Are you an administrative accountant at UF?
Because I doubt they turned a profit shortly after the Charlie Pell experiment.
I admit, I am not privy to either UF or FSU’s bank statements so I can’t really argue over unknown facts… but I find it a little difficult to believe that the Gators made a profit in football every single season for the last 30+ years.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Soo
Then it is a business that collects profits/revenue? Was a 180 just completed? Cause businesses turn profits and revenue. They sell a product in which a consumer pays.
by NoleforLife on Aug 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
CFB programs collect revenue and some even turn a profit...
There are certainly aspects of business in their operation…
But it is still an extracurricular activity…
You need
to read the most recent post to the AA home page…end of discussion.
Urban Meyer has successfully pulled your program out of the crapper it was in.
You just had to go and pull Ron Zook out on us didn’t you?
I never liked that guy from Day 1.
The Once and Future King
It had to be done.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
No, it's absolutely a business
How is it a failing one? Do you know the figures CFB grosses each year?
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Individually by institution it is an overall failing venture...
Again the overwhelming majority of FBS schools do not "make money’ on football or any other sport…
Backed up by the very article your Semi compadre is pointing to on the AA homepage…
That's just not accurate
Football makes exorbitant amounts of money that funds a huge variety of programs around the university.
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It is accurate...
Only 14 out of 120 FBS programs ended up in the black last year…
That means 106 schools did not fund any other programs with all that football money that you’re supposing was made…
Football and sports are extracurricular activities that generate interest and exposure for an institution in general…the more successful a program is the more interest and exposure it generates and in turn can return a profit stream…however, more often than not it simply doesn’t…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
I don't see how you can say that a sport that generates as much media coverage and revenue as any professional sport
Unless you wouldn’t consider professional sports a business. College football is the minor league NFL.
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Professional Sports franchises most certainly are a business...
As they have been formed to earn a profit in order to increase the wealth of the owners by receiving and generating finanacial return as the main objective of operations in exchange for work and/or acceptance of risk…
CFB teams do not exist for the above purposes but for the provision of extracurricular activity through participation as a player or spectator and increased exposure of the university.
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Exposure of the university
Thereby leading to increased applications, contributions, and capital for said university. The football program is both a source of primary and secondary capital. It is run as a business because the product must sell.
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The purpose of them is not such...
The University IS a business…the football team is not…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
The purpose of the football team
Isn’t to put the best product on the field to draw more capital to the school? I think it is. The structure is that of a business. A legal rational organization (excluding FSU for the last 10 years) in which the best components are recruited and held accountable for achieving the best result possible. Unsatisfactory components are jettisoned.
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Nope...
The purpose of the football team is to provide students with a supplemental activity whether through direct participation or spectating…
Don’t confuse the fact that there are business functions that are carried out and it’s purpose which is NOT as a business…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Agree with FlaGators
You can’t look at the world of CFB today and call it a supplemental activity for students that’s all in good fun. Just IMO.
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This guy is a complete moron.
So you can run and tell that, homeboy.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Aug 25, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Says the guy with a cat exposing it's genitals for an avatar...
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Here's what happened at the end of last year
Bowden had a 1 year contract that was not renewed. He wasn’t fired. His contract was up and he was presented with an option to come back as an ambassador for 2 million dollars, but said no. It was a tough spot for him, but “Fired” just isn’t the right word to use there. He was never guaranteed any length of time to be there. It’s kind of the point of a 1 year contract. He didn’t have a contract through 2010. in what company in america can you not do your job for a decade and expect to be retained. College Football is no different.
by ncarolinanole on Aug 25, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Contract Expired
not a current employee. can’t be fired.
by ncarolinanole on Aug 25, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
And when you tell an employee that their contract won't be renewed...
but yet they want it to be you have forcibly ended their employment…
That’s called being fired…
that's insane
If you take a job lets say at a job placement agency. You have an assignment that ends of x date. When that date comes up, your assignment is done. You don’t get “fired” because they didn’t extend your job. Your job ended. That’s it.
Nolen
See your below post
“. . .like arguing with a wall.”
by ncarolinanole on Aug 25, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless you are expecting to pick up another contract...
And don’t recive the renewal due to subpar performance…
Then you’ve been fired…
expecting to pick up a contract
and not getting one is not getting fired. You just contradicted your own point.
And with that, I’m out. I’ve had enough of this Alligator Army of two.
Where?
If I’m working under contract and expect my employer to resign me at the end of it and they don’t because I’m not performing up to expectations then I’ve been fired…
Adios…rememeber It’s not like we invited you to come over…
So apparently you do see it...
And unlike I presumed, you can also read…Apology offered on that front…
DK can take care of himself
but what reason do you have for throwing out pointless insults that don’t further the conversation? Makes you seem shallow and inept and I don’t believe that is the image you are striving for here.
by ncarolinanole on Aug 25, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what they say NC
If you can’t add anything intelligent to a conversation, resort to insults. It draws attention away from your own ineptitude.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Sometimes I get spoiled
by the conversations and logic at TN.
by ncarolinanole on Aug 25, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s like any conversation. I’ve seen plenty of topics discussed at TN that were horrible in terms of logic, grammer and all of that good stuff. But then I’ve seen plenty that were like it was something out of a cartoon.
I’m not saying that AA is perfect by any means, but like someone else said on here, when it is Gators/Noles…things are a bit different.
The Once and Future King
I'll agree with this
When it comes to the UF, it makes it harder to not digress into an insult match.
by ncarolinanole on Aug 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
That (sometimes) is what makes the rivalry great. Sometimes, it gets to be a little much, but most of time it is just about where it needs to be. It not fun if you argue like a bunch of Oxford folk (Rolle being the exception…that man can do or say whatever the hell he wants too) sometimes you just gotta throw that spark near the fire.
The Once and Future King
When it comes to the Semis...
I fully believe in dousing with gasoline and using a flame thrower to start the fire…
I'd be lying
If i told you I never called you guys by other names. Just make the insults relevant. Like not being able to sell out our stadium is (was) relevant. Just like Jorts are relevant (I could not resist that one, but it is all in jest)
by ncarolinanole on Aug 25, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Does it get any more typical than this???
Classic gator fans looking at everything on the periphery and trying to slam FSU for forcing Bobby Bowden out. As I’m sure you have witnessed, Bowden may have made FSU football but that doesn’t mean we are going to let him drive the bus in reverse. As Bobby said, he may have been enjoying his little “competition” with Joe Pa, but the rest of us FSU fans and the entire university for that matter didn’t find it amusing at all. I’m proud of T.K for doing what he did, knowing that he would take a lot of heat from other fans, players, and students that were in denial. For all of us informed Seminole fans, the administrative changes made under Jimbo Fisher have really highlighted just how out dated our program had become under Bowden. and calling UF " the little school down the road" is just the beginning my friends.
Beginnning of what?
Jimbo looking like a fool for raising the ire of Meyer and then getting blasted over the next few years?
As Bobby said, he may have been enjoying his little "competition" with Joe Pa, but the rest of us FSU fans and the entire university for that matter didn’t find it amusing at all.
That is pure bulls**t. And you know it. Every FSU fan on the planet was hoping that Bobby would pass JoePa. That is why half of the fanbase was okay with appealing the sancations. Some said let it go, but some wanted him to keep those wins.
The Once and Future King
Count me in with those who said let it go
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
actually, you're wrong
I hoped FSU lost the battle with the NCAA so Bowden would lose his 14 precious wins and we could get him out of there, so he would stop destroying the team he created.
How am I wrong? The only part I could possibly be wrong about is my statement that every single FSU fan on the planet was hoping he would catch JoePa. So if I’m wrong…you are going to tell me that in say 2002 you didn’t care if Bowden passed JoePa? Please.
So you were one of the bunch with Nattylite in the calls for him to drop it and just leave. Like I said…some wanted him to keep those victories (even after it was clear he wasn’t coming back) and some just wanted him gone without the victories. Or with them.
The Once and Future King
on the Jimbo statement. I just think its funny that’s all.
by GoNuckingFuts on Aug 25, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably. It might take a couple years, I don’t think FSU is quite there yet. But they are getting a lot closer.
The Once and Future King
If he can hang around that long...
And the expectations of the fans can be tempered down with some patience…The biggest issue there is that supposing he can get that program heading in the right direction and other schools see how quickly he gets it pointed that way…they will come calling and will be more than willing to drop the cash to buyout that contract…
In the end…I honestly would be surprised to him there more than 3-5 years if things go well for him up in Trailerhassee…
The FSU job will probably become kinda like the Tennessee job has…a stepping stone to bigger and better things…
In all honesty though, while it is fun to knock FSU, I do miss the days of that game being an absolute bloodbath. The mid-90’s were just freaking awesome in terms of football. As soon as our run in the series ends, that is how I want to see the game. It doesn’t matter to me if Jimbo is there or not…I just want to see that game become like it was back then.
The Once and Future King
wow, a stepping stone to bigger and better things? hmmm… I’m pretty sure being a major college football program in the state with the best football talent in the nation is good enough for Jimbo ( I’m not going to even get into talking about the accolades of FSU, I’m trying to have a conversation here, not talk smack) . but… I guess for recruits like James Wilder FSU is a stepping stone to bigger and better things ;) . ok I lied about not talking smack
Of course it would have been great for FSU fans to see Bobby surpass Joe Pa, but my point was that he was being selfish. Informed fans knew that he was leading the program downhill in that little “race” of his.
Football is just like any other business, always got to change and adjust to the times. Jimbo Fisher knows that
"FSU" and 'Best football talent in the nation' is an oxymoron...
There are plenty of places with WAY more talent starting with “the little school down the road”…
Why would JWJ come to UF? On either side of the ball, he would have been buried behind 3-4 guys…
Same thing at UGA…
At FSU, he’ll see the field alot sooner and with less of a fight to get there…
Don't kid yourself
You wanted JWJ at UF. UGA wanted him too.
by ncarolinanole on Aug 25, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
That was just a bait comment
Sneaky Gate.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Gate…is by far…the dumbest “nickname” y’all refer to us by. Seriously…no thought what-so-ever in coming up with that. It is retarded.
Y’all could at least come up with something that requires a bit more intellect.
The Once and Future King
Short for Gator
Gate is short for Gator. Like Noly is short for Seminole. Are you offended by gate???? It’s not Gaytor or FU. Both I find about as stupid as F$U or semiholes.
James Wilder, Jr today Kelvin Taylor tomorrow. Sorry UF!!
No. Not offended at all. I just think it is dumb. All of it is. I’ve used F$U maybe 4 times in my life. I think twice was on AA at some point.
Noly is absolutely retarded. Whoever thought of that should have to go under a water-board treatment.
Semiholes, Criminoles, Gaytor, FU….are all stupid. Maybe it is just me. Just not big on calling other teams by dumb names.
The Once and Future King
Gunsville?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Gunsville is almost just as ridiculous as calling FSU’s home Tallycrappy.
Tally sure. Hogtown sure. About the only nicknames I use.
(Gunsville at least took a little thought and it is connecting incidents in the creation of a nickname. Not bad).
The Once and Future King
Thanks :)
All in good fun.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
No doubt. We’ll see y’all Nov 27.
We will see if we can’t make it 4 in a row at your place. :)
The Once and Future King
Can't wait!
It will probably help our chances that we might have a defense this year. I just hope Fisher and Co. can move us towards being more competitive.
I miss the knock-down drag-out days of old.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Hogtown isn't a nickname...
It’s a historical reference…As a matter of fact, you can still see Hogtown Creek marked on maps of Gainesville…
As far as the state capital…Trailerhassee is my favorite…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Right on...
The funny thing is that Semis will use it like it’s some kind of insult…I’m pretty sure the majority of them have no idea of it’s historical signifigance…they probably just think it is some joke made up to crack on fat chicks or something…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Umm yeah...
I didn’t say that he couldn’t have been used at UF…
Just that he would have had ALOT of competition to fight through to see the field…
You must be talking about linebacker???
trust me, you guys need a running back. Of course UF wasn’t recruiting Wilder as a running back because he is too big for the offense they like to run. But honestly, I don’t see a lot of run production from the gators current offensive scheme other than the cup games like troy etc… Stewart Mandel agrees on Sports illustrated.
That's because the Rhino was getting the bulk of the carries...
Demps, Moody, Gillislee, Brown…Wilder would have had a lot to fight through to become the feature RB…
Duuuddeee....
I said FSU is in the state—- Florida—- with the most talent. Florida has the best talent for football coming out of highschool. Everybody likes to recruit in Florida. Running out of ways to say this without you getting confused again….
Apologies...
I perhaps got a little overzealous…my bloodlust for bashing FSU hits extrems at points to where I can be blinded…
of ya of course he would wait oh wait he wouldnt because all of the 2010 class will have transferred by the time he gets there
SCALP'EM
2010 New Beginning in Tallahassee
Ponder for Heisman'10
RIP John Wooden
We’ve had two transfer and one not qualify. Speaking about the two that transferred, they were at the bottom or near the bottom of the depth chart at their respected position and it would have taken them two years to even become able to sniff a starting role. No worries.
The Once and Future King
ok ok watevere just sayin u ahve lost about 10 recruits in the past 2 years and maybe jst maybe powell and easley
SCALP'EM
2010 New Beginning in Tallahassee
Ponder for Heisman'10
RIP John Wooden
Powell & Easley were at practice today...
All is fine in Hogtown…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Yeah. It’s all good. If they don’t make it or don’t want to be there, then we are fine without them. Always have been, always will be.
The Once and Future King
I was wondering about this
No legs to the story about them storming off the field and emptying their lockers?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Of course it would have been great for FSU fans to see Bobby surpass Joe Pa, but my point was that he was being selfish. Informed fans knew that he was leading the program downhill in that little "race" of his.
I can agree with you on this. There were a few of my FSU buddies who were starting to get “really annoyed” by like 2005. Maybe even a little before then. But seemed to die down once Jeff Bowden left. But then it seemed to me the loudest cries for his ouster started in about 2008 once they (the majority of the fans) began to see that if Bowden stayed on…FSU wouldn’t be able to climb back out.
The Once and Future King
Why dont you uf fans read Bianchi's article.
He actually supports TK in all of this and blames Bobby 100% and thats saying something when it comes from a uf homer like Bianchi. Look you guys act like this is new news, this was all released in Dec. of 2009 and you know damn well that this is all about selling magazines for the Sportingnews. And you uf fans love to make fun of Jimbo, well remember he came from your so superior SEC conference and put 5 QB’s into the NFL in 7 years at LSU. Not too shabby. By the way i didn’t capitalize uf because your the little school.
It's "you're" not "your."
I think capitalization is the least of your grammatical errors.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
http://www.alligatorarmy.com
Bianchi post is no different from what Wetherell told the Palm Beach Post, as reported by Sporting News and linked in the article. What we knew previously was that Bowden was leaving FSU following a meeting with Wetherell. What we didn’t know was that Bowden saw it as being fired and he was originally promised the 2010 season.
And Sporting News might be selling magazines, but it is based on a book written by Bowden and ESPN writer Mark Schlabach. SN is only reporting what Bowden is saying in the book and media interviews. Don’t attack the press when they are doing their job.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
http://www.alligatorarmy.com
With all due respect to Bowden
He could not even remember if they won the game or not in a few post game interviews last year. Is it too much of a stretch to imagine that he misinterpreted the meaning behind a 1 year contract on a year-to-year basis?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
and forget other things he said like....
if I start loosing 4 or 5 games a year I will retire. hmmm he has lost 6 games in 3 of his last 4 seasons. but we aren’t holding people to what they said now are we Bobby???
Not when TK stated publicly that BB could and would stay until he saw fit...
Then you toss in the fact that Jimbo had the clause in his contract that defined when he was to be made HC or get paid…
And that 2010 would coincide with the Samford game that was scheduled to start the season and end with the final regular season game on Ron Zook Field at Dook Crapell…
That makes it pretty clear to all that the target was 2010 for Booby to ride off into the sunset…
To say otherwise is just simply paddling a river down that African river…
Doesn't matter...
Tk obviously went back on his word and changed the plan…
Whether a personal choice or forced to make the decision, TK and FSU din’t hold up their end of the bargain…
I'm more of a Jim Smith fan than TK
It was still a 1 year contract on a year-to-year basis regardless of TK’s sentimentality.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
That was public knowledge in Dec. 2009
He did an interview and explained it all back then. Everyone one knew back then he was promised the 2010 season. All old news that is getting rehashed to sell a book and magazines
Bianchi
You obviously don’t follow him closely if you think he’s a Gator Homer….every article he writes is intended to stip up muck about UF.
I wouldn’t say every article. But it is definitely more often than not that he says something negative about the Gators. I read one of his articles about once every 2-3 months, if even that.
The Once and Future King
You might be surprised
During this thread I went back an entire year and 100% of Bianchi’s articles were anti-Gator. It’s amazing.
Interesting. And you will get no argument from me that more of his articles are anti-Gator than pro-Gator…but even mlmtampa wrote about one article not too long ago.
http://www.alligatorarmy.com/2010/7/23/1584209/one-of-your-favorite-orlando
And then there is this article and while he kind of gets on Meyer about his “dream job” of Notre Dame he refers to Meyer as the “Maestro of National Championship success.”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-bianchi1109jan11,0,1303768.column
The Once and Future King
He just likes to stir up controversy everywhere
I don’t think he’s overly partial one way or another.
>>---l>
i didn’t capitalize uf because your the little school.
Well I guess that “little” school has more National Championships, more Heisman winners and we won’t even get into the rankings of the university, endowment and all of that good stuff.
But don’t feel too sad…at least y’all have the bigger magnet.
The Once and Future King
Didn’t even know who he was but just wikipedia’d him and Like him already. Apparently he called out Jeff Bowden’s horrible offense and also said the hiring of Jimbo Fisher was a step in the right direction.
Nice retort. typical uf a-hole
I bet you wish you could hold Bud’s jock when it came to running a site idiot.
let's not go there
we can feud back in forth about each other’s teams, but let’s not talk about the website anybody runs. (I sound like a geek).
We are spoiled from TN, but they do a good job here at AA.
We don’t compete with other blogs. This is a hobby.
mlmintampa
UF C/O 06
http://www.alligatorarmy.com
The percentage of athletes that go out gracefully, before there is really nothing left is very low. Its the same thing with Bowden, no matter how good he was, somebody needed to take the keys away for the good of the university
And waiting until the agreed upon point in time is the appropriate thing to do...
The way it was handled was extremely disrespectful…
Nope...
I think Jim Smith and company has cost FSU any future fundraising assistance from the Bowdens…
And yet the joke is on them in the end…how much longer until they’re done paying off Jeff his cool half million?
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