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A.J. Green and Tim Tebow: A lesson on making money as a college student

A.J. Green was suspended four games for selling one of his jerseys to someone who would qualify as an agent. Not an agent exactly. Just someone who could act as an agent. While Green is suspended the University of Georgia can sell his No. 8 jersey, the proceeds of which Green will never see a dime of. Yes, Green is getting a free education and money for room and board, in addition to three free meals a day as a football player. But aside from that, he has no income. While most students could work part-time in the bookstore or at a bar, Green does not have a chance at outside income.

Tim Tebow launched his website this week. His brother Robby and another friend launched XV Enterprises, which is a marketing company created exclusively for Tim Tebow. Robby Tebow said

"We interviewed the top 15 marketing agencies in the world and went through their dog and pony show," said Robby, Tebow's older brother. "They were big and smooth and wore three-piece suits and some of them are very good at what they do. But one thing we realized is that they were talking about the things for Timmy that we were already thinking about. And when it came to negotiating we could do the job as good as they could and we weren't necessarily worrying about that 20 percent cut."

It is clear that Tebow's family planned out Tebow's post-college career, while Green has no one to do that for him. Now that we realize the same ugly shirt Tebow wore after the Ole Miss game is the same logo used for his brother's company, we get that the Tebow Inc. stuff lately (the autograph signings, the documentary) was set in motion a long time ago. If Tebow didn't make money off of it while he was in school, or his family didn't make money off of it, it should be ok by NCAA standards. 

But it is enough to make some question what was going on while Tebow was in school. I personally think that Tebow wearing XV shirts and that becoming the name of his brother's company would be legit because of how diligent the Tebow family has been in using Tim's fame. The family consulted with Florida's compliance department and the NCAA before sending Tim to fundraising speeches for Bob Tebow Evangelistic Association. The fear was that UF boosters or agents could donate to Bob Tebow to get in good graces with Tim Tebow. There was also a concern that Tim would get a cut of donations as payment. But UF and the NCAA cleared it. If the Tebow family thought enough of consulting with lawyers before that happened, I would think they did that before Tim started wearing the logo of his brother's future marketing company. 

Of course, Tim Tebow had the advantage of a family that charted his course while he just worried about playing football. A.J. Green does not have that advantage. While Tebow made money as soon as he lost collegiate eligibility, Green might be in a position where he could not wait for that. For a game worn jersey of one of UGA's best players in the last 20 years, $500 might be a decent price, and something most college athletes would jump on. For that he gets a four game suspension. Tebow wearing the logo of his brother's marketing company gets them good business.

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Should have been 2 games

Guys get 1 game for a DUI – a crime where they endanger the lives of innocent people. Selling a jersey isn’t even a crime, it’s just a rule violation. It’s comical that the penalty is 4 times as great as for an actual crime.

As far as the ugly XV logo – no violation there. The company was not yet in existence when Tebow wore the emblam.

As far as this point:

While most students could work part-time in the bookstore or at a bar, Green does not have a chance at outside income.

Most students work part time so that they can pay tuition, books, meals, clothes, etc. Athletes are given all of that stuff with their scholarship. Along with access to top of the line trainers, dieticians, tutors and every other luxury you can think of that most college students wouldn’t even dream of.

by skigator93 on Sep 9, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

They are getting huge benefits, I agree. But one of the points made by Andy Staples and Clay Travis (Gator and Vandy/UT) was that Green has no chance at disposable income. The clothes he gets as an athlete are team issued. You can’t go on a date wearing that. And once the training table is closed, is he not supposed to get a meal? And Green can’t pay for a dinner with a girl on the stipend that is supposed to go to books and housing. No one should feel sorry for college athletes (who also have access to extra tutoring and health insurance). But the NCAA rules governing what college athletes are closer to communism than capitalism.

Students do work part time to pay for the essentials. But after they pay their tuition, they usually have some money left over to have a social life. Either Staples or Travis wrote that a solution might be to pay athletes minimum wage, based on hours practiced during the week and gamedays. That way, they are on par with students who work in the bookstore or in campus labs.

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by mlmintampa on Sep 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's called

family, mom and dad, grandpa and grandma. Or … BOOSTERS.
And it’s not like these kids didn’t have clothes before they came to the Univeristy.

Get out of my House!

by ECFIVESTER on Sep 9, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends where they come from

These kids aren’t always from the best communities, and I don’t think that the assumption of their previous assets is relevant at all.

Chris Coghlan is the 2009 NLRoY (that's a +1 for me!)
Josh Johnson for the 2010 NL Cy Young!

by ocelotfox on Sep 9, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No they don’t. And for some it’s a wonder how in the hell they got out of there.

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by FlaGators on Sep 9, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but seriously

the kids have clothes. And if he needs new ones, I know Ross, TJ Max, and various other discount stores offer a great variety of clothes that fall well within his budget, that is if he can discipline himself enough to budget.

Get out of my House!

by ECFIVESTER on Sep 10, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a croc

AJ Green survived 18 years of life before enrolling at the University of Georgia, where he is essentially treated like royalty. What did he do in high school? Did he go to the prom? Did he eat meals? Go on dates? Come on now – his family may not be wealthy (I have no idea if they are middle class, upper class or poverty stricken), but if you take the value of the items the university provides to its scholarship athletes, it far outweighs minimum wage or the amount that any other student could reasonbly earn. Let’s not forget the free publicity the players get whenever their team plays on TV and the announcers gush over them.

by skigator93 on Sep 9, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what

I was trying to say, you said better, at least about having belongings before college and resources outside of the university.

Get out of my House!

by ECFIVESTER on Sep 10, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

pay athletes minimum wage, based on hours practiced during the week and gamedays. That way, they are on par with students who work in the bookstore or in campus labs.

That is actually not all that bad of an idea.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Sep 9, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sort of liked that, it could work, but then … what’s the stipend for then? why not just increase it by about $150 and say, “this is for your miscellaneous expenses, use it wisely, learn how to budget, learn how to go without, learn how to stay home sometimes.”
I lived off $150 a month for food, clothes, laundry supplies, and entertainment for about 18 months (actually longer). I think it would be a whole lot easier if I had $1150.

Get out of my House!

by ECFIVESTER on Sep 10, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

They don’t get the stipend IMO. You either can work or you get the stipend, but you don’t get both.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Sep 10, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Personally

I could care less about how many games AJ gets suspended, he broke the rules so he will get the consequences.

AS far as him not being able to make money on his jersey in college, that’s why it’s called a scholarship. Hell if he doesn’t want it, I’ll take it.

Have we become a world of cry babies and privillaged bullsh!ters? Seriously, so he what he can’t make money off his talents in college, he didn’t in highschool either, and he won’t unless he makes it pro (somewhere, not just the NFL). But if we really want to break it down, he is getting money from his talents. He’s getting the cost of tuition, 3 meals a day, a monthly stipend of about $1000, to pay for rent (about $300 at most), laundry, travel, and study expenses, oh and he’s getting all his books paid for.
Let’s see last time I checked the normal non-scholarship person pays about $35,000 per year in tuition. With that and the $12,000 from the monthly stipend, with the meals costing about $5/ meal (generously), coming to $1825.00. That brings his total earnings to $48,825.00/yr. That’s more than I make by myself as a full time worker and parttime student. and he starts making that before he has any degree. I have a degree. Heck, he’ll leave without one, and make more than that, yet we are whining about him being ripped off by the NCAA? What’s next? The players get a share of ticket sales at highschools too?

Seriously, that argument is retarded and bunk. Only a whiney, oo me, privileged punk should ever feel like he’s being ripped off.

Get out of my House!

by ECFIVESTER on Sep 9, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

couldn't

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by silverstreak3k on Sep 9, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

you couldn't care less

not you could care less. I hate the grammar police, but this always bugs me.

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5

by silverstreak3k on Sep 10, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But yet

I can care less. So imo, I believe I used it correctly. If I did actually not care, I wouldn’t have even bothered to say anything. I do not see why couldn’t should replace could.

I know I misplaced a “he”, due to my eager zeal.

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by ECFIVESTER on Sep 10, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if you could care less then i guess its ok?

usually people say that expression to indicate how little they care about the subject. It doesn’t really make a ton of sense to simply state that you do care, but that you could care less……thats hard to follow.

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5

by silverstreak3k on Sep 10, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Well said.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Sep 9, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

$1,000 for the jersey

According to the AJC.
This was not selling a jersey, it was a way for him to accept money from an agent. This is like donating $10,000 in a charity auction to get a $1,000 vacation. The rule was created due to former UGA players selling their SEC championship rings, so there is no way he should not have known what he did was against the rules. There is also word that he lied about it when first asked…which is what got Dez Bryant suspended for an entire season.

by TangoHotelWhiskeyGolf on Sep 10, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Haha. Yeah, I remember them selling all of their SEC Championship rings. It’s sad that team didn’t value the success that they had.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Sep 10, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's not call that kettle black

I remember at least a couple of our players selling rings as well (basketball too)

by skigator93 on Sep 10, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walt Hodge

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by mlmintampa on Sep 11, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it was no where near an entire team. And in basketball, I almost expect it from every team that wins anything.

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by FlaGators on Sep 11, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

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