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Florida Softball's Hannah Rogers Is About to Learn Why Blackface Is A Bad Idea

Update: Rogers has apologized and taken down the pictures. See that tweet after the jump with some further discussion.

I have no problem with people dressing up as whomever they want to be for Halloween, and I try not to take sides on whether that exceptionally inhibition-free night is, on the whole, a good thing. I just stay out of it, mostly.

But I can tell you that there is virtually nothing good that ever comes of donning blackface. Enter these pictures that Florida softball ace Hannah Rogers tweeted tonight, of people at a party dressed like Chris Rainey, Jon Halapio, Clay Burton, and Josh Evans.

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Another picture after the jump.

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Yikes.

Though we don't know if Rogers is, indeed, in the photos, we know that she's at least endorsing and disseminating them; that alone is troublesome, if only because it shows a tone-deaf tolerance for a practice that has been associated with racism from the days of minstrel shows. If she is in them — which isn't exactly a leap, nor is the the thought that other Florida softball players are in costume as Gators of the gridiron — it's an even dumber choice.

Burton, for his part, retweeted one photo and commented on the choice; Rogers' response to Burton sort of suggests that she doesn't get how weird this may look to some. That's fine: It won't take long for word of this to reach her coaches, and they should, if they have more than a thimbleful of sense, encourage her to delete the pictures and the tweets and apologize for any offense they might have caused. (Ask Ryan Pugh.)

But deleting the pictures isn't going to erase them from the Internet, nor from collective memory. And while, admittedly, the Rainey make-up and hair makes for a rather good costume, the momentary fun of this idea is probably not worth the trouble it will cause.

Update: Around 4:00 p.m. on Saturday, Rogers tweeted this apology:

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I just want to apologize if anyone was offended my our Halloween costumes.. that was not our intent to do so. Sorry again!!!!

That's something, but apologizing "if anyone was offended" (rather than "for my potentially offensive choice") and claiming "that was not our intent" is far from perfect, because it turns the blame on those who were offended rather than on those who chose a costume that could be offensive. (I took Floyd Mayweather to task for a similar non-apology.)

So, here, Hannah, from me to you: I'm personally offended that you chose to use blackface to complete a costume and then tweeted the pictures, because I think those actions show a) a lack of understanding of your position and responsibilities as a Florida student-athlete and b) a lack of understanding of why blackface might have been a bad choice.

Your apology also offends me, by implying that your lack of malicious intent indemnifies you. And it shows me that you're grasping that this was wrong more because someone told you it is wrong than because you sincerely believe it was wrong. (Realizing that in the cold light of day and asking Burton to delete his retweet might have helped.)

Furthermore, though I understand your decision to block Alligator Army on Twitter as a bit of ass-covering, I can assure you that it's probably not a very good idea in the long run.

You lost a fan over the last 24 hours, Hannah, and you got a watchdog who will not be as kind should another incident like this transpire. And while your response would probably be that losing a fan who would post something like this means nothing to you, I'd caution that it's that insensitivity got you into this jam in the first place.

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AM I REALLY READING THIS ... SERIOUSLY!!!!

These girls are BEST FREINDS with UF Football players who they dressed up as…not only that they hung out with them the entire night at the halloween party having a great time and went out after that in the town!!! Everyone who thinks this is racist is just pure STUPID!!!!! Get a LIFE!!! And did anyone freak out a couple of weeks ago shen the Softball/fFootball teams did a cowboy n Indian party!!! NOOOOO!!!! These young people are having a damn good time and whoever you are out there you need to stay out of their lives!!!! I am sick bout people wanting to turn this into a racist thing and benefit on your behalf….like I said GET A LIFE!!! These Girls have a GREAT one as long as you stay out of it!!!!

by softballchick on Oct 23, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

SAME DAMN THING!!!!

Yes they were all over facebook!!! COWBOY/INDIAN party and Rogers and Horton went as INDIA ladies just joking and nothing like this got started!!! This is sick what they r saying about this Hannah and her friends and I hope it doesn’t effect them in the future just trying to be themselves…and I can tell you right now there is not a RACIST thing about them…I know them personally. GREAT GREAT GIRLS!!!

by softballchick on Oct 23, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

APOLOGY is NEEDED!!!

And furthermore…I believe that ROGERS needs a apology for putting her name out here on the headlines….Her name is in the headlines for GREAT things..not the BS that is going on here. SB NATION took this way out of the ordinary and someone needs to own up!!!! Should be ashame of yourselves for taking a off FB wkd to stir this s—- up!!!!! BAD!!!!!! Just saying!!! Apologize!!!!!!!

by softballchick on Oct 23, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really not likely to apologize for anything here.

She made a choice and earned this headline because of it. I think that headline has also likely been borne out by the events of the weekend.

This isn’t “stirring shit up”; it’s reporting on things that happened, and writing about it with a great deal of care, too. I’m not going to apologize for doing my job.

If you want to pursue this further, I encourage you to email me; my address is available at the bottom of this and every Alligator Army page.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 23, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy, Andy, Andy

You seem to love to stir the political controversy pot.

Your dissection of her apology is one sided. The other side is everyone chooses what will offend them. Being offended is just as much a choice as dressing up. The offender and the offendee both are culpable and guilty, and neither can truly take all the blame.

My take on this, is another example of a sad generation that is quick to be offended and quick to point the finger, like a bunch of tattle tails who love to call other people out but forget one of the most important lessons ever taught in history; “Remove the beam out of your own eye before trying to get the rod out of another’s.”

BRANTLEY: Jeff! Jeff! Speak to me! Nervous, horrible with the deep ball Jeff, you shall not have died in vain!
DRISKEL: Uh, I'm-- I'm not quite dead.
BRANTLEY: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
DRISKEL: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through.
BRANTLEY: Oh, I see.
DRISKEL: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you--
BRANTLEY: No, no, sweet Jeff! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular...[sigh]
DRISKEL: Idiom?
BRANTLEY: Idiom!

by ECFIVESTER on Oct 24, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's fair, but who is Rogers apologizing to?

Isn’t it also fair for me, someone she offended, to analyze her apology from, uh, my perspective?

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 24, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Point taken

Although I would point to the fact that only thing that would necessitate an apology would be the fact that the pictures were posted on twitter and not on some private sharing network/device/or album. Posting them on twitter mostly sends off an image the University of Florida and others may not want reflected because it had offensive potential. But I see this as offensive to only those who are looking to find offense, to the rest it is just friends having fun with friends.

If this was just a fun time between friends, then let it be such.

BRANTLEY: Jeff! Jeff! Speak to me! Nervous, horrible with the deep ball Jeff, you shall not have died in vain!
DRISKEL: Uh, I'm-- I'm not quite dead.
BRANTLEY: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
DRISKEL: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through.
BRANTLEY: Oh, I see.
DRISKEL: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you--
BRANTLEY: No, no, sweet Jeff! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular...[sigh]
DRISKEL: Idiom?
BRANTLEY: Idiom!

by ECFIVESTER on Oct 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it could easily be argued...

That you in fact ARE “stirring shit up”…

This is the only article I’ve seen about this…and that’s saying alot given the far reaching arms of the interwebs…

Nobody has even picked up a link to this article from what I’ve seen…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, to be fair, that sounds pretty bad, too.

But I don’t use Facebook as extensively to keep up with Florida athletes; I use Twitter very extensively. So that’s why there was no peep over here.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 23, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

APOLOGY!!!!!!!!

Dont really care what ya’ll use for your info….I’m just saying you really screwed up on this one!!!! The football team is even pissed bout you exploiting ROGER’S name and the other great girls…I just have to say get your story straight before you put it in bold letter;s!!! CRAZY!!!!! This Girl is the nicest girl you would ever want to meet! Maybe someday you can and apologize in person!!!! UGGGG!!!

by softballchick on Oct 23, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watchdog??????

I just read this stupid article again and can’t believe you guys act like this!! She doesn’t care if ya’ll r watchdogs over her!!! LOL Seriously!!!! Get over yourself!!! And like I said over and over again!!!! GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ugggggg! And futhermore she might have “lost you as a fan” GOOD!!! She doesn’t need fan’s like you out there!!! U bring these athletes DOWNNNNNNN!!!!! I am done e u!!!

by softballchick on Oct 23, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

IN A JAM?????? GET REAL!!!

Everytime I read this article I Curl and Crack up at the same time!!! I just talked to ROGERS parents and they have just cracked up on the entire thing and have nothing to say to people who post shit like this and said ashame also!!! BAD BOY!!!!

by softballchick on Oct 24, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Calm down softballchick

none of us here are perfect, especially not Andy, and especially not me, and not even you.

BRANTLEY: Jeff! Jeff! Speak to me! Nervous, horrible with the deep ball Jeff, you shall not have died in vain!
DRISKEL: Uh, I'm-- I'm not quite dead.
BRANTLEY: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
DRISKEL: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through.
BRANTLEY: Oh, I see.
DRISKEL: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you--
BRANTLEY: No, no, sweet Jeff! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular...[sigh]
DRISKEL: Idiom?
BRANTLEY: Idiom!

by ECFIVESTER on Oct 24, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speak for yourself...

I am the posterboy for perfection…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought that was already understood

I’ll have to make sure I include that in writing next time

BRANTLEY: Jeff! Jeff! Speak to me! Nervous, horrible with the deep ball Jeff, you shall not have died in vain!
DRISKEL: Uh, I'm-- I'm not quite dead.
BRANTLEY: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
DRISKEL: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through.
BRANTLEY: Oh, I see.
DRISKEL: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you--
BRANTLEY: No, no, sweet Jeff! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular...[sigh]
DRISKEL: Idiom?
BRANTLEY: Idiom!

by ECFIVESTER on Oct 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps...

Just an asterisked disclaimer…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe I'll work it into my sig

BRANTLEY: Jeff! Jeff! Speak to me! Nervous, horrible with the deep ball Jeff, you shall not have died in vain!
DRISKEL: Uh, I'm-- I'm not quite dead.
BRANTLEY: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
DRISKEL: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through.
BRANTLEY: Oh, I see.
DRISKEL: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you--
BRANTLEY: No, no, sweet Jeff! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular...[sigh]
DRISKEL: Idiom?
BRANTLEY: Idiom!

by ECFIVESTER on Oct 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

my sobering theory on why this perception might persist

is a gross ignorance of the past. and that’s both an ignorance of the behaviors that express the racism as well as the violent struggle to overcome them that began 60 years ago.

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by kleph on Oct 22, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This isn't gonna go over well....

But, I don’t really see the huge deal. Clay himself retweeted it or w/e it’s called. If he had a problem with it he surely would have took it up with his coach who would’ve took it up with hers. I think we are having a slow sports day because we are taking something minor and attempting to make it major. Everything has to automatically be racist to blacks, now it’s that way with whites. It’s pathetic.

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by Gators1 on Oct 22, 2011 8:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Adding to this…if mr. time to die comes out tomorrow being “whiteface” and is rogers for halloween noone says shit. Now, that is what is bullshit about the entire thing. You always only look at it from one side. It’s always racist when its the white man(lady in this case) but oh shit son its a okay when it’s the black man. Al Sharpton has struck again.

Coach Muschamp: Laying the Boom down on your a.....

by Gators1 on Oct 22, 2011 8:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is embarrassing.

When there is a history of black people dressing up in “whiteface” in order to perpetuate racist stereotypes against white people you can make this stupid argument. Until then, keep your woe is the white man speech to yourself.

i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Oct 22, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

woe is the white man

for he is now the unrecognized minority … gotcha!!!

BRANTLEY: Jeff! Jeff! Speak to me! Nervous, horrible with the deep ball Jeff, you shall not have died in vain!
DRISKEL: Uh, I'm-- I'm not quite dead.
BRANTLEY: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
DRISKEL: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through.
BRANTLEY: Oh, I see.
DRISKEL: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you--
BRANTLEY: No, no, sweet Jeff! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular...[sigh]
DRISKEL: Idiom?
BRANTLEY: Idiom!

by ECFIVESTER on Oct 24, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is a very, very simplistic way of looking at things.

Blackface isn’t “automatically” “racist to blacks”; it is indicative of a lack of understanding or disregard for the history of blackface.

And I would say some of the same things about Rainey or whomever choosing whiteface.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 22, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree that blackface isn’t automatically racist, but it shows a lack of sensitivity towards many people’s feelings about it. There is, however, a difference between a dark skinned person wearing whiteface and a light skinned person wearing blackface, and that has to do with the history of blackface. In an ideal world, it wouldn’t make any difference, or be a big deal that anyone would change their skin color for a costume, but, sadly, because of its history it does.

On some level, I see it as a good sign that young people don’t seem to be aware of this history; that they (presumably) just see it as dressing up like any other person. It is important to point out to young people why it is offensive to some, but, at the same time, doing so moves us farther away from the point where it will no longer be offensive. It kinda reminds me of this.

by NC_Gator on Oct 22, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kind of reminds me of that silent movie by D.W. Griffith, The Birth of a Nation.

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by FlaGators on Oct 22, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some college athletes dressing as other college athletes (presumably ones they know) is very much different from a silent movie that glorifies a group of people who handled the failure of their rebellion by persecuting people with a different skin color. When we imbue the amount of melanin in someone’s skin with inherent characteristics other than physical description it is the root of bigotry.

Because there is a history of racism and bigotry associated with blackface, it is extremely insensitive to wear it, and a horrible idea for people conscious of and concerned about their public image and reputation to wear it. The only thing that will change that is time and understanding. If we are ever going to get to the point where our society views skin color as being a physical characteristic (like hair color or eye color) and not as a “race,” we will have to be able to understand the past, and acknowledge it as what it is, the past.

I’m not defending Rogers, or the people in the picture; it was a very bad idea for them to do this. What I am doing is lamenting the fact that in order to be sensitive to those hurt by the wrong-headed ideas of the past (like racism) that should be relegated to the ash-heap of history, we must perpetuate the underlying fundamentals of those beliefs; namely that changing one’s skin color (for a costume) differs in some way from changing any other physical characteristic.

by NC_Gator on Oct 22, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because there is a history of racism and bigotry associated with blackface, it is extremely insensitive to wear it, and a horrible idea for people conscious of and concerned about their public image and reputation to wear it. The only thing that will change that is time and understanding. If we are ever going to get to the point where our society views skin color as being a physical characteristic (like hair color or eye color) and not as a "race," we will have to be able to understand the past, and acknowledge it as what it is, the past

Yup.

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by FlaGators on Oct 22, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It differs from changing other physical characteristics...

…because skin color’s been used to dehumanize, enslave, and otherwise discriminate in favor of people who enjoy the privilege of never (or, at least, extremely rarely) having to worry about being seen as lesser because of their skin color.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was my point. It shouldn’t be different, but it is different. And it is sad and shameful that it is.

by NC_Gator on Oct 22, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remonds me of the Spike Lee movie, Bamboozled

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by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. I’ve been to some parties, where things have been done, said, worn…etc., that probably wouldn’t be acceptable to the general public. In fact, like you alluded to, I’d make a substantial wager that we all have.

But, if you choose to do so, just don’t post it. Because like you said, once it’s out there, it’s out there.

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by FlaGators on Oct 22, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The worst part about this?

There’s a show on the Gainesville PBS station that talks about Florida athletes getting social media training. To, um, avoid things like this.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 22, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worst = dumbest.

I could see the blackface being purely ignorance; the tweeting seems more like willful ignorance of general practices.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 22, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah....I'm going to go ahead and disagree with pretty much all of you

Personally I think it’s ridiculous that a group like this would get so up in arms about something that no one in here was actually offended by. You all see this as potentially offensive to others, and thus the belief that it’s insensitive for a 19 year old to not understand the history of “blackface” in America. Give me a break. Rodgers and friends went as members of the Florida football team. Nothing about that is in any way racially insensitive. Using the rationale displayed in here, people should be offended anytime someone dresses up as anything Catholic for Halloween, because they clearly don’t understand the historical implications of the Spanish Inquisition. The root of racism is intent, and I don’t believe that a single one of you believes that the intent here was to offend. Will there people that find this “racially insensitive?” Obviously, but who cares. At this point it seems like we attack things because they could possibly be perceived a certain way, and ignore how they are actually received.

OMG Hannah Rodgers, you 19 year old athlete at Florida, how could you have been so stupid as to think that dressing up as a member of the Florida football team wouldn’t create a hailstorm of controversy and color you as a racist, pun intended. This is the type of reaction that I find so irritating in this country today…calling someone ignorant for failing to understand the implications of “blackface”, something that no one in here was even alive for. Personally, I think it says something positive, that members of the Florida softball team didn’t think about the “racist implications” of dressing up as guys that are probably friends of theirs. Let’s ignore the fact that a younger generation doesn’t see things the same way as those before us, something that could actually signal a shift in the attitudes regarding race in this country, and instead brow beat her over the head, and reenforce and recirculate the stupid stereotypes that we’re trying to move away from. Ridiculous…

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by Cardsfan25 on Oct 22, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This is, well...

wrong. Wrong in so many, many ways.

Personally I think it’s ridiculous that a group like this would get so up in arms about something that no one in here was actually offended by.

I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say here, but it’s wrong, whatever it is. Are you saying that no one alive remembers racist caricatures in American culture? Because that’s wildly incorrect. My mother does, and she’s by no means elderly.

You all see this as potentially offensive to others, and thus the belief that it’s insensitive for a 19 year old to not understand the history of "blackface" in America.

Yes, a 19 year old college student should absolutely understand the cursory history of blackface in America. The fact that you think a college student should not be responsible for any level of awareness of what blackface means is depressing to me.

Nothing about that is in any way racially insensitive.

You do not understand the topic at hand, then.

Using the rationale displayed in here, people should be offended anytime someone dresses up as anything Catholic for Halloween, because they clearly don’t understand the historical implications of the Spanish Inquisition.

This is the second time you’ve used this rationale, and it’s just as preposterous this time. The Spanish Inquisition happened quite a bit longer ago than any number of racial eras in America. Not to mention than the Spanish Inquisition did not have any effect in United States, in particular in Florida, where racial issues were extremely common. If you doubt that, there’s a woman in Lake City who had her father lynch a classmate because the boy dared give her a valentine. She’s still alive, and has apologized for nothing.

The root of racism is intent

No, it is not.

Will there people that find this "racially insensitive?" Obviously, but who cares.

I care.

This is the type of reaction that I find so irritating in this country today…calling someone ignorant for failing to understand the implications of "blackface", something that no one in here was even alive for.

This is actually the definition of “ignorant.” Rodgers is a moron for not grasping the absurdly simply concept that white people cannot co-opt black identity with no consequences. That you hold an adult college student to such a ridiculously low standard of knowledge is distressing. Once again, the fact that it’s likely that no one on this website remembers vile shit like this does not make it acceptable in modern society. 1950 was not that long ago.

Personally, I think it says something positive, that members of the Florida softball team didn’t think about the "racist implications" of dressing up as guys that are probably friends of theirs.

“Dressing up as” is not blackface. In addition: no.

Personally, I think it says something positive, that members of the Florida softball team didn’t think about the "racist implications" of dressing up as guys that are probably friends of theirs.

This is not positive. This is not someone who’s so colorblind they don’t notice when they don a racist costume. If she was truly colorblind, why paint her skin a different color? This is someone who is either profoundly racist (unlikely) or who is utterly clueless.

Ignorance is not an excuse. This our history as a country and it serves no one to forget that.

Oh, come on. Don't leave your uncle T-bag hangin'.

by Troll2Troll on Oct 22, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think you were missing my point

which isn’t that ignorance is acceptable. You guys are up in arms about someone being blissfully unaware of the racial implications of an action, and think it’s fantastic that she was blissfully unaware. I think it says more that she, and her friends thought this was harmless than anything. I think it’s a positive thing that someone, who we have no reason to believe has any racist motivations at all, did not consider a part of history that we should be working to move beyond, before she dressed up for Halloween. I think reactions like the one seen on this message board do more to perpetuate negative attitudes about race than someone being blissfully unaware of it. How instead should we proceed? Should we continue to avoid anything that could be seen as offensive, or should we move toward a point where that is not a part of the day to day conscious? I’m not holding her to a low standard; I just see a harmless Halloween costume that a bunch of guys on the internet seem to think could be offensive to people who are not them. Were you genuinely offended by this costume? If you were, then OK, stay on your high horse and continue to talk to me as if I’m some sort of un-evolved lower man. I apologize that a 19 year old softball player has that much power over you.

rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm]
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Now please, tell me were dressing up as a friend for Halloween fits any of these definitions? Oh that’s right, because of the history of “blackface” and the montages you linked to below…because this costume is clearly an attempt to mirror that.

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by Cardsfan25 on Oct 22, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rodgers is a moron for not grasping the absurdly simply concept that white people cannot co-opt black identity with no consequences.

If you want to be Mr. Ethical, maybe you should reframe from judging others. I think it could easily offend some people by calling a female a moron even if you are offended by thier actions. Doing something racially insensitive does not make you are a moron.

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by Hook85 on Oct 23, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think you understand "ethics".

i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Oct 23, 2011 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

For you to even “think” that I don’t understand ethics from the comment I made above… Clearly proves to me you have no idea what you are talking about.

So just continue supporting the bashing of a person you have never met because you are offended by thier mistake that was clearly not intended to offend you.

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by Hook85 on Oct 23, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m starting to get offended by all the offending that is going on here about something that may or may not be offending to some. Not that I’m offended by you or anything you said, it is just with all this offending going on, about being offended, it’s offending.

Yeah, I’m confused too.

/trying to lighten the mood around here

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by FlaGators on Oct 22, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.

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by Cardsfan25 on Oct 22, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy gets offended easily though

so take that for what it’s worth.

BRANTLEY: Jeff! Jeff! Speak to me! Nervous, horrible with the deep ball Jeff, you shall not have died in vain!
DRISKEL: Uh, I'm-- I'm not quite dead.
BRANTLEY: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
DRISKEL: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through.
BRANTLEY: Oh, I see.
DRISKEL: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you--
BRANTLEY: No, no, sweet Jeff! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular...[sigh]
DRISKEL: Idiom?
BRANTLEY: Idiom!

by ECFIVESTER on Oct 24, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

So...

I assume you don’t use Aunt Jemima brand syrup due to the use of a steretypical charicature of a black woman…

Correct?

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by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

A Marmalaid guy then?

BRANTLEY: Jeff! Jeff! Speak to me! Nervous, horrible with the deep ball Jeff, you shall not have died in vain!
DRISKEL: Uh, I'm-- I'm not quite dead.
BRANTLEY: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
DRISKEL: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through.
BRANTLEY: Oh, I see.
DRISKEL: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you--
BRANTLEY: No, no, sweet Jeff! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular...[sigh]
DRISKEL: Idiom?
BRANTLEY: Idiom!

by ECFIVESTER on Oct 24, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

WIth ECF here...

What the hell do you put on your pancakes, johnnycakes, waffles, crepes,french toast, etc then?

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by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was sitting here thinking about how to respond to Cardsfan's post...

…but Troll did a good job for me. Blackface is offensive (still) today for a reason, and it’s an example where a double standard is appropriate. College students – especially in the South – should be aware of this. Just like a white person saying the n-word, it doesn’t make it ok if they have black friends that are ok with it. The word is still racially charged, as is the use of blackface in pretty much any context.

by CanWeBeMature on Oct 22, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Any context????

ANY? If a 12 year old wants to dress up as Hancock for Halloween?

The N word is a racist term. Always will be. A 12 year old dressing up as Hancock is not racist. The difference here is that Mss Hanna represents UF and those pictures could easily be taken out of context. So yes it was not a good idea, but was it racist?

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by Hook85 on Oct 23, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is this really "blackface"

There is an intent to blackface. This is not blackface with the same intent. The intent with these white athletes tinting their skin was for a costume to look like other athletes who happen to be of a different race.

The facet some of y’all are getting so offended reveals quite a bit about where your head is at when it comes to race. They were trying to authenticate a costume, not mock the entire black race. It’s a costume. Period. If they were to start tap dancing and singing “Mammy” maybe there’d be some room for outrage. If I were to put on some ‘Bama bangs, gym shorts, a polo and a walking boot to dress up as Brantley, is that offensive? It’s a costume.

I normally agree with y’all, but on this one: get over yourselves.

I'm not going to a country that confuses itself with poultry. Never.

by Bourbon_Meyer on Oct 24, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm genuinely not trying to get into a debate about race in America

I just find there to be so much hypocrisy in day to day life that I tire of it. Daniel Tosh can crack joke after joke about any number of races and there is not outcry, but a softball player at Florida dresses up as a friend, and all of sudden she should be more socially conscious, and versed on racially insensitive portrayals from 60 years ago? It makes no sense to me, and I’m sure most of you will vehemently disagree with this, but I don’t actually believe that most of you were offended by it. You see it as perhaps something that was unintentionally distasteful to some, but not offended. That’s just my two cents, and also….I would appreciate it if the condescension ceased. I’m not a bigot for thinking that no harm was meant by this action. I’m not racist for thinking that she intended to and likely offended no one. You can think that I’m glossing over some greater meaning here, but I just think that you’re digging to deeply into it. It’s simply a difference of opinion.

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by Cardsfan25 on Oct 22, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

"I want to express an opinion, but don't want to be held responsible for it"

-Cardsfan25

i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Oct 22, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

When "condescension" equals someone else's valid opinion.

i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Oct 22, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

how does it equal that?

you know what, nevermind…I’ll leave it alone.

Go Gators

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by Cardsfan25 on Oct 22, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Update

About 4:00 pm EDT, pictures were taken down and an apology tweet was posted. Seems Coach Walton got word of last night’s events.

by TFelsmaier on Oct 22, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

She didn’t owe anyone anything. If anyone should be saying sorry it’s the people that actually found that offensive. Its 20fucking11. Oops saying 20fucking11 is probably racist now also. Jesus Christ our society is in shambels. I love people that make things effect them when it doesn’t actually effect them at all.

Coach Muschamp: Laying the Boom down on your a.....

by Gators1 on Oct 22, 2011 5:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

THIS...

Is exactly the truth….

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by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

These politically correct folk are terrible.

Back in the day ma boys and I used to be able to make jokes, but now someone always gets offended. We were equal opportunity jokesters too we made fun of blacks, gays, women and messicans.

i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Oct 22, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

there it is

I knew it was coming….congrats.

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by Cardsfan25 on Oct 22, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Boom and a...

BOOM!

Coach Muschamp: Laying the Boom down on your a.....

by Gators1 on Oct 22, 2011 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well said.

i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Oct 22, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would appreciate it if you withheld your condescension.

Just because you believe I’m saying X, doesn’t mean I’m actually promoting X. It’s just a difference of opinion.

i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Oct 22, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saying that about 2011 is not racist.

But assuming that people are unaffected by things like this is presuming quite a bit.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 22, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a somwhat related note...

It boggles the mind that in 2011, a white fratboy in brownface and warpaint riding around on a horse in front of thousands of spectators is still considered one of the finest traditions in college football.

by mulletoro on Oct 22, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Allow me to answer this for you, as I’ve asked many times. It has the approval of the Seminole Tribe of Florida, but not Oklahoma.

Apparently, decedents of the Seminole Indians designed the logo and attire, etc. Without going into the history of such things, that’s about it.

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by FlaGators on Oct 22, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

I know it’s “officially sanctioned” yadda yadda yadda, but during the FSU-MD game they were showing an unusually close, lingering closeup shot of “Osceola” on the sidelines just before halftime and I never realized how “brown” he was.

by mulletoro on Oct 22, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmmm.

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by FlaGators on Oct 22, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh Uh...

It has the approval of a small group from the SToF…essentially the same small group that makes the largest amounts from their casino operations…

And the fact that a small contingent may approve in no way shape or form makes it acceptable…

Or else we wouldn’t be here speaking of Rogers costume being offensive since BUrton’s tweet is apparently approving of the costume and found it humorous…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 23, 2011 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that’s just what I was told. But like you alluded to, the power within the various Native-American tribes does lie within the casino. One needs to look no further than Cherokee, NC to see that.

But yeah, I agree.

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by FlaGators on Oct 23, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let me clear that up...

The point being is that the leadership of the SToF gave approval to the exploitation of their heritage…

That certainly doesn’t speak for the rest of the SToF that won’t profit from that exploitation…nor would the Oklahoma tribe…

But more importantly….the SToF certainly doesn’t speak for the rest of the Native Americans across the country that are affected by the negative stereotype perpetuated by Trailerhasssee State and their supporters…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 23, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why be surprised?

The hypocrisy lies within yourself, D12…as you would be so concerned with a word that is a reflection of the university’s racial exploitation that you so fervently support…

Ignorance is to give power to a word…

Trolling would be to initiate a drive by posting with no other intent but to show yourself as the very epitomy of irony…

Glad your done…hoping the door catches you in the @$$ on the way out, Exploiter…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 23, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the case of Trailerhassee State College...

It mnakes it okay if you pay off the SToF’s leaders…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s about a long and well-documented history minstrel shows perpetuating terrible stereotypes and racist ideas. You cannot reclaim blackface as merely makeup, because there is too much history behind it for it to ever just be makeup. If you can’t grasp that, I suggest taking a class or reading a book on the matter. It really isn’t complicated.-Troll2Troll

People are not offended because they believe Hanna is a racist, or had racist intentions.

 People, including the ones in this thread are offended because you feel it is unacceptable for any white person to wear a costume of a black person because of the history behind “black face” even if thier intentions are innocent. You feel that even if they are ignorant to the history of “blackface”, it is still unacceptable because they are UF athletes and should know better. Basically your saying, even if it’s Halloween and everyone that is involved is ok with it, dressing up as a friend who happens to be black is not allowed because there is just too much history behind it for it to be just make up…even if it has nothing to do with racism.

It is very hard for me to grasp that the people who know the whole story cannot judge the difference between a halloween costume and a racist joke of wearing black make up. I completely understand why UF does not want things like this being put on the internet. I completely understand that people could VERYeasily be offended by the picture when all they see is the picture, it could easily be interpreted as racism(“blackface”).

From my perspective… The movie White Chicks is offensive to me because of the obvious racism toward white females with blond hair. BUT if a 19 year old African American dressed up as Super Man because he is upsest with him and even paints his face white… No, I obviously would not be offended because I know that it is purely innocent and not racist.

As far as history goes. It is also hard for me to see how people can be offended because although the subject at hand is not racist, it reminds them of a time when it was racist. I am not saying, “Hey, your wrong for being offended.” I just don’t understand. And don’t tell me to read a book, I know the history.

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by Hook85 on Oct 23, 2011 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmm
it is still unacceptable because they are UF athletes and should know better.

They should know better because the’re older than 12.

The movie White Chicks is offensive to me because of the obvious racism toward white females with blond hair.

For too long the Hilton sisters have been made caricatures of…

As far as history goes. It is also hard for me to see how people can be offended because although the subject at hand is not racist, it reminds them of a time when it was racist. I am not saying, "Hey, your wrong for being offended." I just don’t understand.

As troll said, the fact is millions of people, particularly black people, are offended, so to do it anyway is either racist or extremely insensitive.

i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Oct 23, 2011 3:07 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

As troll said, the fact is millions of people, particularly black people, are offended, so to do it anyway is either racist or extremely insensitive.

I am leaning on the insensitive side. As one of the smart people above said, people today are so sensitive, and of course for every action there is a reaction…the insensitive people. Not sure which one comes first though. haha

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by Hook85 on Oct 23, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lighten up people

this is not racist. This is people having fun. So what if a few white people wanted to dress up as black people for Halloween party. This isn’t even white people wearing the black face as in the 1930s and such. This is where our society is going, people getting all bent out of shape over anything. So the blue man group, are they racist if we indeed find a human-like life form which is actually blue?

Granted these kids could have picked better Football players to dress up as. the one as Rainey should not be texting as that is proven disastrous, #24 probably didn’t hit anything all night and well do we really need to post about the OL?

by Kenw on Oct 23, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Why not?

In keeping with the theme…there racially desriptive terms that use ‘blue’…The BMG originated from using everyday items to perform rhythm based orchestration…much in the same way the unfortunate souls that suffered through slavery did and therefore could easily be interpreted as an attempt to circumvent the traditional blackface used to perpetuate African American steretypes in minstrel shows…

The fun thing is that with a little exaggeration, creativity and over reaching anything can be twisted to construe political incorrectness…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a costume all the same.

Just because YOU draw connections between this and something racist doesn’t mean everyone else has to.

I’m really super fucking disappointed in you for this one, Andy.

I'm not going to a country that confuses itself with poultry. Never.

by Bourbon_Meyer on Oct 24, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's okay.

I can take your disappointment.

But I need to point this out:

Just because YOU draw connections between this and something racist doesn’t mean everyone else has to.

Just because Rogers didn’t draw a connection between blackface and its troubled history doesn’t mean that others can’t or won’t.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 24, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hate to lob this

but you’re ok with the disappointment b/c this post accomplished your intended goal of stirring controversy. That’s why I’m disappointed. No one likes Sports by Brooks or Clay Travis.

I'm not going to a country that confuses itself with poultry. Never.

by Bourbon_Meyer on Oct 24, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

My intended goal here is not stirring up controversy.

It’s reporting on a questionable choice by a Florida athlete, and I’m honestly a little surprised no other site’s/writer’s touched it. Rogers is a public figure who sent a public message that she probably shouldn’t have, and while I’m personally offended by it, I also reported on it because I think this is the sort of thing we really shouldn’t ignore.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 24, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And I'm okay with the disappointment...

…because I’m 99% sure I’ve handled everything right. (My one regret: The term “watchdog.”)

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 24, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yuh...

I felt that was a little extreme as well…

You come off sopunding like you feel it’s your duty to be UF’s unofficial PC police as well as that you’ll be personally monitoring the softball ladies every move out of spite born from having been removed from their twitter feeds…

I’ll also point out that you might have burned any opportunity you might have had in the future to gain any type of interview with pretty much any UF student athlete…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOVE THIS!!!!!!

These people need to get a LIFE!!!!! LOL

by softballchick on Oct 23, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if some of our WHITE players did something of note; the ladies wouldn't have to resort to that.

Where is the sarcasm knob? I need to turn it to 11.

And technically, isn’t Halapio ‘Pacific Islander’ (to use job application language)?

Each person in this situation can draw their own conclusions on the events that transpired. And we, as casual observers, can deride their actions and lack of judgement (especially in taking pictures and posting to the web), but we weren’t there. We don’t know what happened, we don’t know anything beyond twitters 140 characters and some pictures.

I understand the reasons for reporting (due to the UF recoil, she will get SOME punishment from her teams coach) and then people would ask questions. But please don’t point the finger.

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by Boozy McHound on Oct 24, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Yuh on Halapio...

Thus the orange & blue lei his impersonator is wearing…

Though I may regret pointing that out as it will probably be pointed to as yet another inappropriate stereotyping by these ladies…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's kinda the point I'm making.

Why not point out ALL the ‘racism’ and not be selective.
I hope the person in the toga is Greek or OMG!

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by Boozy McHound on Oct 24, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO...

Since we’re playing this out to the extremity…

Note that the one portraying JH is also a bit less dark in color than the others while the one portaying Rainey is the darkest…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

speaks even more to the point

that they’re dressing up in costume, as opposed to a generic blackface. Blackface was intended to broadly mock & mimic a race, as opposed to a costume impersonating one particular person.

I'm not going to a country that confuses itself with poultry. Never.

by Bourbon_Meyer on Oct 24, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I meant was the way I read the report was as if you had judged her to be in the wrong.

Now whether or not that’s the case is for each individual to decide.

Simply reporting that this happened is one thing, but then telling her and everyone here why she was wrong and you don’t accept her attempt at an apology is crass. She made a mistake (she may or not actually believe this) but she owned up to the perception and that’s all I think we need to ask. The student body, her friends, coaches, and everyone else is going to heap enough blame on her anyways.

[redacted diatribe on historical and world wide racism]

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by Boozy McHound on Oct 25, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geeez

So this is what I come back to after not logging on for a couple days?!

I’ve read all of your arguments on this and have the following conclusions:

1) I’m still an enormous Gators softball fan and want to see them win the WCWS
2) As, I’ve said all along, Twitter sucks and is poisoning American society
3) I guess no white children can dress up as our president this Halloween

by skigator93 on Oct 24, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Me?!

I know who I am! I’m the dude playin’ a dude, disguised as another dude!

BRANTLEY: Jeff! Jeff! Speak to me! Nervous, horrible with the deep ball Jeff, you shall not have died in vain!
DRISKEL: Uh, I'm-- I'm not quite dead.
BRANTLEY: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
DRISKEL: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through.
BRANTLEY: Oh, I see.
DRISKEL: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you--
BRANTLEY: No, no, sweet Jeff! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular...[sigh]
DRISKEL: Idiom?
BRANTLEY: Idiom!

by ECFIVESTER on Oct 24, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised this took this long to show up here.

Downey Jr.‘s obviously a bit more committed to a role he is playing in a movie than Rogers et al. are committed to a costume at a Halloween party. But he’s also sort of satirizing other things; there’s a good essay on that here.

In any case, if you’re curious, I enjoyed Tropic Thunder and especially Downey Jr.’s character, but I still have mixed feelings on the blackface, though I thought this was one of the rare cases when it is masterfully done.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 24, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

So...

If you do something racially satirizing on the silver screen…that’s okay…

But do it at a private party where the pictures become posted on Twitter and it’s not…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you do something that evinces care and thought, it's better.

“Mixed feelings” doesn’t mean okay, but there was a point to Downey’s blackface beyond “I am dressing up as a friend.” He was satirizing actors who do things as ridiculous as playing a character in blackface to chase awards, mostly.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 24, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh...

Seems you’re playing both sides of the fence…

On one hand, Downey Jr.‘s blackface is okay because of it’s satirical nature…

Yet, Rogers and Co. uses the same blackface in an attempt at similiar satirization on a smaller scale and it’s condemned…

I’ll also pointout that Downey Jr.’s role also not just had him in black face but also mimicking stereotypical speech…not sure if these ladies did the same at the party…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah I thought about posting it but was too scurred of the back lash.

Glad this thread has lightened up a bit.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Oct 24, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's weird, re: that last point.

I would assume most parents aren’t going to put their white children in blackface if they dress as Obama, but I don’t know; it’s also obviously a lot easier to find an Obama mask than, say, a Clay Burton mask. But surely there is someone, somewhere who will actually use blackface on a child for an Obama costume.

And, well, I’m still a softball fan, and I think it’s the people using Twitter, not Twitter, that’s the problem.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 24, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's like saying

It’s the people using crack, not crack, that is the problem.

by skigator93 on Oct 24, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll point out that while blackface makeup is apparently easy to find...

I’m not even sure that biracialface exists on the market…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

skigator93 hit some good points

and this whole fiasco is just waay too funny, and right when you thought Georgia had all the rednecks.. these wonderfully timed pics show up during hate week.

love yer show

by JaxDawg on Oct 24, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Equally offensive and stereotypical...

Is to assume that:
A) That a person is a redneck because they do something that is racially insensitive.
4) Only white people are rednecks.

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

gatorhippy

I was just reinforcing assumptions I have heard by a lot of gator fans and geting a small amount of satisfaction from this.. no offense intended.
Just think it`s funny in a kinda “hello kettle, meet pot” kind of way considering some of the crap I`ve put up with from certain rival fans in orange and blue I honestly don`t care.. they are just being idiot college kids who I`m sure nothing was meant by it or at least hope not.

love yer show

by JaxDawg on Oct 24, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

All good, JD...

Just keeping with the political correctness theme of the thread, so I figured it was imperative to point out those things…

Lest somebody get offended…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And remember...

We shouldn’t be using the term “redneck” as it is an ethnic slur…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

All UGA fans are rednecks!!!

So says Jeff Foxworthy

BRANTLEY: Jeff! Jeff! Speak to me! Nervous, horrible with the deep ball Jeff, you shall not have died in vain!
DRISKEL: Uh, I'm-- I'm not quite dead.
BRANTLEY: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain!
DRISKEL: I-- I-- I think I c-- I could pull through.
BRANTLEY: Oh, I see.
DRISKEL: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you--
BRANTLEY: No, no, sweet Jeff! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular...[sigh]
DRISKEL: Idiom?
BRANTLEY: Idiom!

by ECFIVESTER on Oct 24, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm... halloween? costumes???

Lessee here…
I dress up like a vampire, I use CHALKY WHITE MAKEUP, lots of blood, some red eye theatrical contact lenses, and some theatrical grade fangs thermoplasted to fit my canines.
My wife dresses up like a scarecrow, she gets some brown makeup for the nose like Ray Bolger, paints some freckles on, dons the corny hat and costume, yada yada yada.
Kids dress up like ghosts: white sheets or a good white ghost costume.
Dress up like Frankenstein, GREEN MAKEUP, big flat waffle head thingy with fake hair, and an ugly Frankie costume wardrobe.
She dresses up like what is obviously her friend, a BLACK football player: fake jersey, tan makeup, damn good looking wig and beard. This is NOT the prototypical “blackface” with the white guy just painting his face and keeping his own hair. SHE TRIED TO EMULATE HER FRIEND/FAVORITE PLAYER EXACTLY!!!

Could we all just take the stupid racist glasses off for a minute and realize that people can try to have a realistic costume? Did Chappelle not ridicule EVERYONE, including “whitey”/“white people”??? I never saw anyone protesting or marching on Comedy Central because he made jokes about EVERYONE… Hell, there were racial slurs about every nationality on that show. Had he been a WHITE GUY, he would have been crucified, whether he made fun of his own race as well as everyone else’s like Dave.

Sometimes I feel like racism is actually induced by paranoia and digging up stuff that isn’t there. Try to interview and hire someone. You end up focussing just as much on race after affirmative action as before. Now it’s just changed from “you gotta hire a white guy” to “you gotta hire a woman or a minority”. Before you go off on me, look at the “quotas” that have to be met for hiring, that are analyzed from top to bottom. People still get turned away due to the color of their skin or the genetalia they possess. It’s just inverted now.

Personally, I picked a summer student candidate, not because he was a black male, but because he had awesome experience, went to a fine school (The Citadel), and was highly professional in his interview. I didn’t see his race, I saw his mind and personality. He had great future engineer eminating from his very being. Great guy! I guess we could have counted quotas and deduced that we “had to” hire the kid… but we didn’t. Why cloud the situation with something that shouldn’t matter anyway: the person’s race and gender.

Back to the subject though, if you are going to dress up as something/someone, you usually do your best to emulate it/them as best as possible, especially if you want to have the coolest getup at the party. Sounds like these girls were pretty close to the players they were dressed up as. There’s always some attention stirrer looking to dig up racism that IS NOT THERE!!! Go march at a funeral because all the white people all wore black suits, or a wedding because all the black people wore white suits. The dress fits the occasion, not the race of the wearer! See how silly that would be???

by Will Glide Mims on Oct 24, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Ahhhh...Dave Chappelle...

The King of Racial Satire…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clayton Bigsby

Reporter: Why did you divorce your wife?

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by ECFIVESTER on Oct 24, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This racism is killing me inside…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The skin color is the tricky part here.

Could the softball players have dressed up as football players without the blackface? Absolutely, and probably pretty well, given their attention to detail. Was the blackface essential to the costume? Maybe, in their eyes.

The other thing: You can’t offend vampires, or scarecrows, or ghosts. You can offend other human beings, and from what we’ve seen, Burton and Evans weren’t offended.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 24, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So...

If the specific folks that were portrayed by the softball ladies costume choice weren’t offended…what’s it matter to you?

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno how much clearer I can make this.

1) I was offended.
2) Rogers is a public figure on a beat I cover tweeting (read: publicly saying) potentially offensive things. That makes this fair game to be covered.

by Andy Hutchins on Oct 24, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Didn't say it wasn't...

I’m more looking for the reasoning behind it offending you…

I mean…you know…given you aren’t African American…

If you stand up for one ethnically offensive issue…well…it stands to reason that you should stand up for ALL of them …

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm offended that you don't think vampires, scarecrows or ghost don't have feelings

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by ECFIVESTER on Oct 25, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t we all just get along!!!

Wait … I don’t know if I can say that because I’m not African-American!!

You can say whatever you want … it’s a free country!!!

Excellent!!!

Seriously though, why can’t we just all say “agree to disagree” and move on. It offended some and not others, this whole discussion is borderline boring now. Too much arguing. Let’s get ready for Georgia this weekend!!!

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by FlaGators on Oct 24, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

…this whole discussion is borderline boring now…

So your saying that it’s not just yet lost its entertainment value…close…but. not. quite. yet.

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. It’s been funny to me (the conversation) since about an hour or so after this discussion started. But, the only thing that will happen now (as I posted in TBG’s radio FanShot) is anger, bans, warnings … etc., it just isn’t worth it anymore.

Quit while ahead, type of deal.

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by FlaGators on Oct 24, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

If it’s simply ignored in the first place, then it never becomes an issue…

By posting commentary bringing it to the attention of everyone that frequents this site, you are giving it power and asking for a sh!tstorm of discussion, criticism, and opinion that will polarize even the closest knit community…

You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...

by gatorhippy on Oct 24, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree. Once it is out there and all…it can’t be taken away. For the most part, depending on if someone sees it before it is taken down.

Andy is the manager of the site. And he decided to post it probably knowing that there would be both agreement and disagreement. Though if he really wanted to, he could have deleted it (well, technically, any editor of this site could have done that) but he chose not to because he felt/feels strongly on the issue.

But now, two days and 130 comments later, pretty much everyone who is going to post their comments on the issue has done so. Nothing nobody says is going to change the opinion of another, nothing is going to be gained.

Time for everyone — and I do mean everyone — to just chill and move on.

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by FlaGators on Oct 24, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do you know me?

I have to keep this going it’s actually quite humorous to me now.

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by ECFIVESTER on Oct 25, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tread carefully.

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by FlaGators on Oct 25, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know you are but what what am I?

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by ECFIVESTER on Oct 25, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do know, that I’m rubber and you’re glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.

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by FlaGators on Oct 25, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Priceless

never gets old … well sort of

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by ECFIVESTER on Oct 25, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. So very true.

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by FlaGators on Oct 25, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I know

what I’m dressing up as next year for Halloween.

Let me know your address so that I can ring your doorbell.

by Whiskeyman on Nov 15, 2011 12:49 AM EST reply actions  

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