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Theater of Operations, Florida Vs. Florida State: Reviewing Florida's Offensive Performance

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Yeah, that wasn't pretty at all. The Gators, against a Seminoles defense that we profiled before the game, managed to gain just 184-yards of offense. The Gators also lost a plethora of players to injury (both offense and defensive players), but that's another issue entirely (read: luck).

The highlights on offense, were a 23-yard run up the middle by fullback Hunter Joyer and a 24-yard catch by tight end A.C. Leonard. Yeah, when those are your best (and longest) plays on offense, it's not a good thing. Actually, I guess you could say the touchdown catch by Quinton Dunbar was the best play, but still, that's only three plays.

Remember though, it was clear before the start of the game, that Florida State's defense was at least the 3rd best defense the Gators have played (and will play) this season. Sure the Gators were a few inches here and there from breaking a few plays, but the Gators by and large, beat themselves. Especially when referring to the offensive side of the ball.

Quarterbacks John Brantley and Jacoby Brissett, threw a combined four interceptions and literally all four of them were the result of some sort of a terrible read, horrible decision and pathetic execution. The really discerning part, was only one of them, the last one, came from a true freshman.

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Play No. 1: John Brantley's first interception to Greg Reid:

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Quinton Dunbar (bottom yellow circle) is going to be in single coverage and will be running a simple out-route. Greg Reid (bottom green circle), who is an above-average cover cornerback, jumps the route and will make the interception.

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Before the throw by John Brantley (yellow circle), take a look at the outstanding pocket the offensive line (yellow square) creates for him. That's pretty impressive considering the talent Florida State has on their defensive line.

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As Brantley (yellow circle) releases the ball (red circle), the offensive line is still doing a great job individually. But, Brantley breaks one of the cardinal rules of being a quarterback. Do not, under any circumstances, late in the play, throw it across the field. The only way this throw could have been even worse, is if he had thrown it across his body.

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Because the throw was across the field, Reid (green circle) has plenty of time to jump the route run by Dunbar (yellow circle). Reid, who is also one of the better playmakers on the Seminole roster, will make this catch any day of the week and twice (literally) on Saturdays.

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Reid (green square), makes the catch and will end up returning the ball to the 20-yardline.

Play No. 2: John Brantley's pass is intercepted by Mike Harris:

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On this play, there is absolutely no way, that John Brantley can defend himself from the criticism he deserves. Chris Rainey (yellow circle) is going to run a deep route out of a play-action. Yeah, it doesn't work. 

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At this moment, Brantley (single yellow circle) is just finishing up the play-action aspect of the play. Rainey (double yellow circle) will now take advantage of a crease in the offensive line and head out down the field.

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However, there is a problem. As soon as Rainey (yellow circle) gets passed the offensive line, he is already going to be blanketed by two Florida State defenders (green circles).

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Does anybody else see the problem here? Yes, I promise you, Rainey (no circle) is somewhere in the mass of Florida State defenders (green circles). He's hidden behind to the left-most defenders. Brantley yet again throws the ball across the field. Only this time, he throws it even deeper.

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Mike Harris (green circle) is the Seminole defender who ends up making the catch and returns the ball nearly 90-yards to the Gators 4-yardline.

After getting a few e-mails about this play, I want to make a couple of quick comments: No, I don't think there was any pass interference by the Seminole defenders on the play, and there was absolutely no late-hit on quarterback John Brantley after he released the ball.

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Brantley (yellow square) releases the ball at this moment. There are twenty-two seconds remaining in the quarter, and if you look at both of the Seminole defenders, they are both in the process of attempting to hit and/or knock the ball out of Brantley's hands.

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Those defenders clearly make contact with Brantley (yellow square) at this moment. As you glance over at the time remaining, you'll see that there is still twenty-two seconds left in the quarter. Had this been say, 1996, I'm sure the Seminoles would have waited that second to hit Brantley, but they didn't here. No penalty.

Play No. 3: Hunter Joyer's 23-yard run:

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Yes, I know that a 23-yard run isn't necessarily a highlight play that is worthy of a breakdown, but two things worked in Joyer's (yellow circle) favor. One, I had no interest in breaking down Brantley's 3rd interception of the day, and two, how many times in the last twenty years has a Gator fullback broken a run up the middle for more than twenty yards? Exactly.

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As Joyer (yellow square) gets the ball, there is a seam on the right side of the offensive line. But, there is a Seminole defensive back there, so Joyer decides to just hit the middle of the line and see if he can bust through.

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Yeah, Joyer (yellow circle) does in fact bust through the line, then bounces off a defender (green circle) and continues to run downfield for a 23-yard gain.

Play No. 4: Jacoby Brissett throws an interception which is returned for a touchdown:

A quick note to make before I begin this Brissett play: Remember, as I've stated on here many times, I'm more of a Jeff Driskel fan than a Jacoby Brissett fan. So if this play breakdown appears to be a little harsh, I ask that you just keep that aspect in mind.

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You'd have thought that after the Auburn game, Brissett (yellow circle) would be familiar with this situation and would know what to do with the football. I guess I'll give him the benefit of doubt, again, and chalk this one up to lack of playing time and the fact that he is a freshman.

Cornellius Carradine (green circle) is going to be coming off of a delayed rush, and things couldn't have worked out for the Seminoles any better as a result.

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Just after finishing the play-action aspect of this play, it is clear by the pass-rush, that Brissett (double yellow circle) needs to get rid of the ball right now. Unfortunately for the Gators, both of the receivers on the play (single yellow circle), are both still in the middle of their respective routes, and aren't looking for the ball yet. 

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By the time that Quinton Dunbar (single yellow circle) is ready to receive the ball, it's too late. Brissett (double yellow circle) is under serious pressure from Carradine (green circle).

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After fending of Carradine for a second or two, Brissett is finally caught (yellow square) and makes the worst decision possible. Instead of just throwing the ball away, he throws the ball in the field of play.

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Because of the decision to throw the ball in-bounds and in the field of play, the ball is caught by Seminole defender Terrance Parks and returned for a touchdown.

Play No. 5: Quinton Dunbar's 6-yard touchdown reception:

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The play that kept the Gators' streak of not being shut-out at home since 1988, alive. Dunbar (yellow circle), is just going to run a crossing route deep in the endzone, and will be covered by defensive backs (green circles).

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The Gators run a quick play-action here, which draws three Seminole defenders in (green circles), and allowed Dunbar (yellow circle) to sneak behind them and gain the inside advantage on his top defender.

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The ball (red circle) is perfectly thrown by Brissett on this play. Dunbar (yellow circle) is behind every defender (green circles) who have a shot at knocking the ball down. But again, the throw is excellent.

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Dunbar makes the catch (yellow square) but hasn't yet gotten his feet down.

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Dunbar manages to get one foot down, in-bounds (yellow square), and was it ever close. But, other angles confirmed that the foot was indeed in-bounds and the touchdown was preserved.

After watching this game a second time, it's pretty clear, that the Gators beat themselves (read: turnovers) more than the Seminoles beat the Gators. Sure the Seminole defense played a physical, lights out ballgame, but they got a serious assist from the Gators in that every single turnover by the Gators, was more the result of a mental error by the Gators, than a great play from the Seminoles.

Think about that:

  • John Brantley's first interception (reviewed above): Brantley's fault.
  • John Brantley's second interception (reviewed above): Brantley's fault.
  • John Brantley's third interception (not reviewed above): Brantley's fault.
  • Jacoby Brissett's interception (reviewed above): Brissett's fault.

Not a single one was one where you would say to yourself: "Wow, what a great play by the defense!" But, sometimes, that's the way it is.

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Oh the YPP thing from the FSU defense is fantastic. I was just talking about the turnovers. It’s not like FSU did anything great to get them. The Brissett one, yes there was great pressure from FSU … but still, not on the actual turnover aspect of the play.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough. If it wasn't for 3 UF bonehead turnovers and 1 FSU bonehead turnover

Final score would likely have ended up 0-0 or 3-0.

We were able to shut down potential turnovers and play ball control. Weis didn’t get the opportunity, and throwing from behind can have some bad results.

by jmnpb996 on Nov 28, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

This exactly. I agree. It was a very sloppy game from a turnover perspective. They are all turnovers that should never happen.

FSU back-2-back state champs!! 52-14

by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you lose a bet or something?

what is up with that God-awful picture?

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 28, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup. It’s all in the Rapid Recap comments.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that sucks

So 7 days of that craptastic color scheme, I’m going to have a hard time remembering to take the validity of your points without immediate counter arguments.

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 28, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, I almost did the same thing yesterday. When scanning some comments I was like “Who’s this joker now” and like a half-second later I was like “Oh, damn it.”

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

might wanna think about keeping it.

Nicest thing I have ever seen on this site.

by dominicannole on Nov 28, 2011 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ha!

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Next year the bet will have to be a little more extrme.

I’m thinking youtube, school song, the singing of said school song…..

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"

by JaviLouis on Nov 28, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm….

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And the plays made by your defense

allowed the coaches to minimize risks in their offensive play calling. Going in, I was pretty sure Manuel wouldn’t win the game for you guys if it came down to the wire, but the game dictated that he didn’t need to. Good game plan by Fisher and Co.

I assume both staffs will just burn the tape of their plays on offense. Or set them to “Yakkety Sax.”

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by car.full.of.midgets on Nov 28, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. TN predicted turnovers would dictate who won the game.

Bud was dead right.

One thing our offense and offensive coaches can pat themselves on the back for is improvement in short yardage situations. We hadn’t smashed balls in on the goal line like that all year.

Against UVA we were on the 1, in Doak, and couldn’t get in. Coaches and players talked about how much they worked on short yardage during week, and it worked.

Only positive on offense this week. But because of it, we were able to shut down, minimize potential turnovers, and control the ball. Jimbo called the game absolutely perfectly.

by jmnpb996 on Nov 28, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, it isn’t exactly going out on a limb and saying that turnovers (and special teams) would dictate who won the game. Especially when both teams have offenses that suck and defenses that are above average.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

It took a weird penalty to smash it in on the first score

I was at the game, so I didn’t have the best look at the play, but it seemed like a close call. EJ should’ve thrown a pick-six to Matt Elam too. The FSU offense was terrible, and only got away with it because John Brantley is so world beatingly awful.

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by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Nov 28, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve said it all along that EJ isn’t that good of a quarterback. Took some heat for saying it before the season over at Tomahawk Nation, but it is what it is.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s also really injured and on medicine for the pain


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by Bud Elliott on Nov 28, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm, but he still can’t read a defense. He’s like the Reed, Burton show we had from last year, rolled into one.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

played much better before re-injuring against BC. Pretty good passing year.


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by Bud Elliott on Nov 28, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh. I didn’t know about the BC re-injury aspect. But yeah, I’d love for a Gator QB to have those passing numbers. I just wasn’t, nor am I now, all that high on Manuel. He’s just not going to become that world beater that most of the FSU fans that I see, think he is/will.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Please refrain from commenting over here.

It’s not worth your time.

Gimme some sugar, baby.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Nov 28, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He stopped progressing

And has actually gotten worse. Regardless of his completion percentage he has the football IQ of a 13 year old and his throws this year (even when caught) have been wayyyyy off. Started in the spring game and has gotten worse. Our OL is shit but thats not an excuse for EJ. He isnt very good. Ponder please :(

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by numberonenole on Nov 28, 2011 2:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

He’ll be back next year right? I know he could leave if he wanted to, but that’s probably not even remotely advisable unless he just wants to get the hell out of Dodge, but I doubt he is thinking that.

But yeah, for your comments alone, is why I don’t fear him. Probably won’t next year either unless he turns into Andrew Luck, Barkely ..etc.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

which ain’t gonna happen

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 28, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Signs tell me “no way” as well.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If he returns to serviceable passer and option threat

With a solid OL he’s a decent dual threat QB. He’ll never be a Vick but he showed he can throw a good deep ball, better than ponder did.

Not sure if you watched some of our games mid season but EJ ran the option like nobody’s business. absolute last second pitches. Then he got hurt at BC and we haven’t seen option since. The one option play against UF he completely blew the read, his guy would have had several yards off the play.

He’s also been extremely efficient all year before the UM-UVA-UF stretch. He looked to be improving too, throwing balls over the middle into places he was scared to before.

I’m not going to be Desmond Howard and say he’s anywhere close to a Heisman candidate, but a legitimate dual threat QB is tough for any defense to deal with. I’d note that a bogus holding call brought back a 50+ yard TD run from EJ against UF.

by jmnpb996 on Nov 29, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

It seems as if this injury to EJ at the BC game is a lot bigger issue than I thought. But no, I didn’t catch any of the mid-season games for FSU. For some weird reason, I was only able to catch early season and late season games. Though I did read the film review y’all have over there every week.

But yeah, I made a point in one of our preview articles to say that EJ can run when called upon or as needed. I think, like you’ve said, that he’ll always be able to do that.

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by FlaGators on Nov 29, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

EJ ran the option like nobodies business?

He had two nice last second pitches to Freeman in one game. I dont know the exact numbers of how many option plays we ran. But its a low number. Jimbo should of ran EJ alot more this year but never did for whatever reason (OL, his shoulder, etc).

EJ is an average at best passer. Without his legs he will only be a game manager.

I have to trust in Jimbo though, that he will right the offense this offseason. Pray he hires a OC who shares his vision. :/

If we dont win the ACC (or even go to the show) next year it might be his last in my eyes.

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by numberonenole on Nov 29, 2011 5:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Option stayed in pocket early

A lot of people anticipated seeing it 2nd half OU game, along with other designed EJ runs. Then Travis Lewis fell on him.

Yeah, like I said “serviceable” passer. But he throws the deep ball well, and you know, ladies love the long ball.

And don’t discount his improvement. The Kenny Shaw ball into tight coverage, a couple other throws he made above levels we expected. He’s been hurt, hadn’t been allowed his runs til around NCSU/BC game. I’d like to see a season with a healthy EJ and a healthy OL next year.

I’m not going to get into it over here, but 3 years won’t happen. Jimbo’s going to get all 5 of his years, which is fair, becuase it puts him through a full cycle of his own recruits, time to work on ofense, etc. Barring a losing season or 2 7-6 years, I don’t think he’s gone for a while. And that’s a good thing.

by jmnpb996 on Nov 30, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Brissett's was a forced mistake

a coverage sack that instead became a pick six. There was no reason to throw the ball though. And the Brantley three were simply a bad QB making bad plays. All the defense did there was not drop the ball.

I’m not taking anything away from FSU’s defense, but those four plays weren’t the plays I’d pick to say “LOOKIT OUR DEFENSE IS GOOD!” The complete shutdown on Demps and Rainey? That was impressive defense. The downfield coverage on Debose all night? That was the most impressive thing that I’ve seen against him all season. The picks though? Meh. Most teams make those plays.

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by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Nov 28, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

On that play, Brissett reminded me of Grossman or Johnson

in the way he tried to force that throw instead of throwing it away or taking the sack. While I appreciate the effort, a starting SEC quarterback has to be smarter than that to win games. I think he’ll get it with time. Even Danny did that kind of stuff early in his career.

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by car.full.of.midgets on Nov 28, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Possibly, the greatest thing ever associated with a football player is this:

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

"What do you mean that's not in the playbook?

We ran it all the time last year…"

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by car.full.of.midgets on Nov 28, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Although...

Usually the great QBs are the ones who actually turn that play into something. Tebow would do that at least once a game. So while I agree that he should of just taken the sack or throw it out of bounds, I respect his effort. And I wont be mad if he tries it again in the future, just be aware of the defender standing right in front of you next time.

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by Hook85 on Nov 28, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the assignment football was the most impressive. Second most impressive was the ability of FSU’s defensive ends to battle the florida linemen and keep their outside arms free v. the run


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by Bud Elliott on Nov 28, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

FSU does, and did play assignment football very well. Like on the play-action sweep play to Rainey. Both FSU defenders stuck with him the entire time. Why Brantley threw it, is beyond me.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think it’s something you rep in practice and think of it as a TD homerun play. And he made his mind up to throw it at the snap.


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by Bud Elliott on Nov 28, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree to that, but at some point, you’d have to make the decision that it isn’t going to work and throw it away, or have an “out” so to speak. But yeah, definitely, just made his mind up and was going to go for it. Which is so unlike him.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats what Brantley has done his whole career.

With the help of Weiss he seemed to not stare down the receiver quite as bad as last season, but I fully believe he has one player in mind the entire time.

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by Hook85 on Nov 28, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It seemed like everything Weis taught him, was gone.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

What a sad career. He had all the tools to be a great Gator QB.

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by Hook85 on Nov 28, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

In 2009 (pre-Mark Stoops) that wheel route would have scored.

I think every team FSU faced that season ran that same play for a touchdown. There is no way Brantley should have thrown the ball given the FSU defensive backs stayed home. He made up his mind he was going to throw the pass come hell or high water. Making matters worse, it was a horrible pass. Mike Harris fielded it like it was a punt.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 28, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Dead on


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by Bud Elliott on Nov 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't get why Brantley came back after we lost a chance to clinch the East

From that point forward, it should’ve been about developing Brissett and making sure he was comfortable in this system as the starting quarterback.
Driskel will in all likelihood transfer to tOSU, plus Brissett was recruited by Weiss and Muschamp, so he’s our guy.
Really though, I thought Brantley should’ve been pulled after the second pick he threw. It says a lot about how poorly you’re playing as a QB when at a party full of Seminole fans, the only two people who weren’t concerned with his injury were the two Gator fans there.

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by colombo259 on Nov 28, 2011 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

Driskel

would be a fool to transfer there if he’s trying to get away from competing for the starting spot. He has more of a shot here than he does there.

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 28, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

Hes referring to Driskel transferring there “if” Urban Meyer become OSU’s new coach.

Seems like a pretty good good guess considering Brisset is Weiss’s home boy and Driskel would eventually be the starter for sure if Meyer is the coach.

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by Hook85 on Nov 28, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

if?

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I still see that as foolish

not only does he have to sit out another year, but then he’ll be competing with Braxrton Miller who will have had a full year under Meyer, and if he is leaving so he doesn’t have to compete fo the job that just sounds asinine. Not saying young men don’t make asinine decisions like that, but he seems smart enough to realize he has more of a shot here, and if he truly works his butt off and puts in the time I don’t see why he can’t win the job still, since ultimatley it is Muschamp’s decision not Weis’s.

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree Brantley’s third pick was pure Gator fault, but FSU totally sniffed out all the trick plays, including the PA throwback to Rainey. That was certainly excellent defense by FSU.

Greg Reid baiting Brantley into the throw, planting and driving on the football is a very good play.

And without great pressure and a hit, Brisset’s throw isn’t picked.


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by Bud Elliott on Nov 28, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

They were excellent plays by FSU leading up to them (as I noted in the article), but my point was that none of them (Brantley’s) should have happened.

The Brissett one, because of the pressure (as I noted in the article) I’m more inclined to give an assist to the FSU defense. Because without that pressure, which was again, great assignment football by FSU, that INT probably doesn’t happen.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Also the fake punt, the read was fantastic and the fake barely got the first down.

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 28, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a fake field goal

semitard

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 28, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

I agree that most of the credit should go to FSU.

Its obvious that Brantley screwed any chances we had at winning, but credit FSU for being well prepared and putting the pressure on Brisset.

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by Hook85 on Nov 28, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

What I really want to know

above all the blown whistles and turnovers … (still need to see that ref fired who called Gilli down when he was obviously still charging forward)

is WHY IN THE WORLD WAS GREG REID NOT EJECTING AFTER COMING ONTO THE FIELD OF PLAY WITH HELMET IN HAND when the offense is on the field??? What the crap happened there?!?

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 28, 2011 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

Don't know all the rules...

Is that something that would require a player to be ejected?

by ajm05j on Nov 28, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

How can it not be?

Basically a player has illegally entered the field of play, whilest toting his helmet as a potential weapon, and created a raucous.

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 28, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The first thing I found

was for it to be a personal foul and a sideline infraction resulting in two penalties for FSU to 1 for UF, the personal fouls would off set and FSU would be penalized a 5 to 15 yard sideline infraction negating the play.

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 28, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think off-setting penalties was the right call.

Personal foul on Elam on the WWF body slam of Jermaine Thomas, personal foul on Greg Reid for (stupidly) coming off the bench.

Since the FSU assistant coaches handled things almost immediately, and the play had absolutely ZERO impact on the outcome, it’s all insignificant.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 28, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Elam’s suplex after already being out of bounds was ridiculous. Greg Reid got hit with the 15 yarder (correct call for walking onto field) for being a moron, and got chewed out by all the coaches for it.

They’re similar guys, 5 star prospects with character issues. South GA people always told FSU fans that if they could keep G5 out of jail hed’ be great.

by jmnpb996 on Nov 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

but he’s not great, he just had a good game

And I still see that as a way to make up for all the miss calls (specifically the calling a play dead before the runner is dead while progressing forward)

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 29, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Like I said at TN the other day … it was “probably” a catch. The pictures aren’t 100% concretely conclusive.

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by FlaGators on Nov 29, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Tell you what … I’ll trade you 1966 for 2003.

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by FlaGators on Nov 29, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

After the treatment the Seminoles have received from ACC referees it was gratifying to learn in 2003 that it’s nothing personal, it’s just incompetence. Not only that, the outcome insured FSU would play under the watchful eyes of SEC referees at least every other year.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 29, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm. Well, you do have a point.

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by FlaGators on Nov 29, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

IMHO

I think your reaching with the “toting his helmet as a potential weapon.”
Watch the replay if you disagree.

by ajm05j on Nov 29, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I can agree to that, but if I want to be technical I am not really reaching, it is what is.

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure if there’s a rule about that. Maybe if he would have freaked out and swung the helmet. I originally thought the flag was on Elam, who went comepletely on Reid.

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 28, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Who went completely berserk on Reid.

"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 28, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

um ... ok

you mean completely ridiculous with trash talk and shaking his head to draw more attention to Reid.

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 28, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

With respect, he flailed his hands around like a crazy person and jumped.

"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 28, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

the spirit hand waving was a bit much

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

this theater of ops was like going to the police station to identify a family member.

I couldn’t get through it. Worst season ending game in my 22 years as a gator. UGA still hurt worse but this is going to give me a hangover until next year. God what a shitty season.

by Jon Heist on Nov 28, 2011 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, it was rough.

As for Theater of Operations, we’ve still got the defensive one tomorrow morning, the bowl game preview one, the two bowl game recap ones … and then a bunch (minimum of 7) of position-by-position ones.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Nov 28, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Defensive Line- oops, their review jumped offsides

That was pretty good. Made me giggle.

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by Gators1 on Nov 28, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, well done sir.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

UGA hurt worse? Not buying it counselor.

Losing to Florida State under any circumstances tears the collective heart out of gator nation. Saturday’s circumstances probably made losing the game even worse.

Florida State lost to Clemson, it’s biggest ACC rival, earlier this season. It stung. Badly. By comparison, losing to UF would have sent me looking for strong rope and a tall tree. The fact FSU found a way to win, ANY way to win, makes the loss to conference rival Clemson a very faint memory.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 28, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

nope, for me my hatred runs deepest with Georgia.

FSU is usually a terrible loss as well, but Clemson is a damn good team this year. i honestly think theyre probably the best all around team in the ACC.

by Jon Heist on Nov 28, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

They're still Clemson.

They haven’t won a title of any kind in over 20 years. The losses at Georgia Tech and N.C. State were really puzzling. Getting whacked this week by USCe continued the collapse. VPI will probably beat them this week. Dabo must have taken over the reins again. All that said, they bring their A-game against the Seminoles every year.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 28, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

In today's episode of know your rival:

While many FSU fans remain unaware of this fact, UGA is historically UF’s biggest rival. Not to take any luster away from the in-state rivalry, and despite recent dominance over Goergia, but for practically every Gator fan that was around pre-Spurrier, Georgia will always be the biggest on the schedule.

So it doesn’t matter if you’re buying it, because we’re not selling it. It just is.

What I am not buying is that Clemson is your biggest in-conference rival. Really? Over Miami??

by olorcain on Nov 28, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Clemson is in their division. But yeah, I agree.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Georgia may be the most hated rival for pre-Pell (or pre-Bowden) era Gators, but I doubt a survey of ALL gator fans would validate that as fact.

Here’s another installment of “know your rivals.”

Pre-Bowden, the gators RARELY lost to FSU, and to have a rivalry the other team needs to be able to beat you at least every now and again. Like WW II veterans, more and more gator fans who count UGA as the team’s biggest rival pass off the scene every year. Even among that group, many consider a loss to the “upstart, girls school” more humiliating than a defeat against the Bulldogs.

For FSU, the Miami rivalry pre-dates membership in the ACC. It’s bitter, but nowhere near as vitriolic as the rivalry with the gators. That fact, combined with Clemson being in the same division, makes the Tigers a bigger conference rival. However, FSU has no other rival on par with Florida. The coach who can consistently beat the gators, even if he never wins an ACC title, will enjoy a long and happy career in Tallahassee.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 28, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I validate it

but I am not every Gator Fan

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a matter of opinion, and yours is as valid as mine.

I would love for UF to beat UGA every year and lose to FSU. Evidently that would make us both happy.

I’m not every FSU fan either, but I think a majority would forego an ACC title in exchange for a win over the gators. While I’d love to be getting ready to head to Charlotte this week, the solace that comes with a win in Gainesville (even a terribly ugly win) is tremendously sweet.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 29, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Hate you

and your pouring salt on my wound

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 30, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I will stop.

I can identify with your pain. Not this year, but certainly in six of the last eight (and many others before that).

by Dauntless12 on Nov 30, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

So they're projecting UF to the Gator Bowl vs. tOSU.

Brilliant. I can’t wait to end this wonderful season with a loss in Urban’s first sort-of game as head Buckeye.

Does this misery ever end?

Oh, come on. Don't leave your uncle T-bag hangin'.

by Troll2Troll on Nov 28, 2011 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

’Rec.

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by FlaGators on Nov 28, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

he wont be the coach.

at least thats whats being reported.

by Jon Heist on Nov 28, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Theres no moral victory here for me

We lost fair and square. One thing I hated over the last 20 years of all the great seasons was opponents making up excuses when our Gators beat them.

Sure, with a half way decent QB we could of won the game…Probably easily.

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by Hook85 on Nov 28, 2011 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

We might be able to say the same thing :)

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by JaviLouis on Nov 28, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

With a healthy QB under center for FSU the margin of victory might have been more.

No matter, the rivalry is bigger than a couple of sub-par offensive performances.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 28, 2011 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Right, if you look hard enough after a loss…Theres always a way to ease the pain a bit, and once in awhile thats ok. But I don’t feel any better at all knowing that we could of won the battle for 118th if I was the QB instead of Brantley. (not literally btw)

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by Hook85 on Nov 29, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

The last time we had a FB go over 20 yards?

I think Dexter McNabb, 1990 at bama.

Am I the only one who would like to see Joyer get the ball from the tailback position next year?

by PullingGuardGator on Nov 29, 2011 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm, so yeah, 20 years ago. And no, no you are not the only one.

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by FlaGators on Nov 29, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I could dig that, the only question is, who is his lead blocker? I can see motioning a TE, but Joyer is one of the best blocking fullbacks we’ve had in awhile, and yes that inlcudes Steve Wilks, in fact he’s probably the best fullback since Terry Jackson. Oh how I miss Terry Jackson, he was actually my favorite even when Freddy T was back there. Terry always seemed to get that extra yard we needed.

Tim Brando: Let's head to Gainesville with Coach Will Muschamp who's live on the scene with an exclusive. Coach Boom?
Boom: Gator Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Whiz... Weis is inside right now. I tried to set up an offense with him, but they said you can't do that he's a live walrus, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the walrus]
Coach Boom: Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Walrus Weis!
Tim Brando: Great story. Compelling, and rich.

by ECFIVESTER on Nov 30, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Terry Jackson, Jack Jackson, Darrell Jackson … Chad Jackson. The Gators in the 90’s and 00’s were like the Jackson 7’s.

Don’t forget Billy Latsko. But yeah, it would have to be out a two-TE set or something like that. Which that kind of stuff is usually found in a pro-style offense.

Wait…

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