Attack Jimmer Fredette on defense
by mlmintampa on Mar 23, 2011 9:37 AM EDT
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PrintThe scoring prodigy's worst nightmare is on the other end. Always more focused on points, he hopes to never be stuck with a defensive assignment that will sap his energy. He would rather give up 20 and score 30, than give up 10 and score 15.
That is Jimmer Fredette. For all the talk about his outstanding game and ability to shoot from any spot on the floor, he has become the darling of the 2010-11 season. Last year against Florida in the tournament, Fredette scored 37 points, shooting 50 percent from the field. But last season, Erving Walker and Kenny Boynton, who should be matched up with Fredette on Thursday, did not have the sophistication in their offensive game that they have now. Walker only goes to the goal when he is looking for contact, no longer getting into the lane and throwing a wild pass into the photographers. Boynton, even at 75 percent, can still shoot and will require Fredette to follow him around the floor.
Additionally, if UF cannot use Boynton, Scottie Wilbekin has the personality of a terrier and has not shrunk from any challenge this season. If UF goes big, with Walker/Wilbekin, Chandler Parsons, Alex Tyus, Patric Young and Vernon Macklin, they can pick apart BYU by scoring inside and forcing Fredette to scramble on switches.
Granted, a lot of what I have said is based on my own bias as a Gator fan and that I thought St. John's was going to eat up BYU. But look at BYU's losses to New Mexico and San Diego State. They could not handle high scoring guards and forwards 6-foot-7 and up. Florida has that. Additionally, you can't discount the loss of Brandon Davies. The Florida guards, as much as they need to run Fredette ragged, have to feed the bigs on every trip down the floor. In the 2010 tournament, UF would have won if they did not turn the ball over 21 times. They dominated the glass, which again will be crucial to gain extra possessions and keep Fredette on defense. The longer he is in the defensive end, the better chance Florida will have to win.
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Gators are gonna roll in this one. I just don’t see how it can even be close.
The Once and Future King
you said that last year
Jimmer was 1/2 of the player last year and he took the Gators down
wonder if he will get 50 this time
Yeah, but as I said in my FanPost and mlm stated above, just pound the rock inside and BYU can’t do anything to stop it.
I did say that if Jimmer goes off, the Gators will struggle, but I just don’t see how BYU can even come close to matching up in the front court. Granted it is the NCAA Tournament and anything can and does happen.
The Once and Future King
No way Jimmer gets to 50 against this defense.
If he even gets to 30, that WOULD be impressive.
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Jimmer will get his no team has been able to slow him down.
He will just pull up from 28 feet and drain a three. He is that good and the only way he has been stopped was when he got into foul trouble, so forcing him to play defense will one make him more tired and two possibly cause him to pick up an extra foul or two which will really hurt BYU’s chances.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Mar 23, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year this team lacked a couple freshman like Young and Wilbekin that come in as defensive specialist!
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There is one MONSTER difference between this year's UF squad and last year's...
NO DAN WERNER!!!
that is worth +20 by itself.
by skigator93 on Mar 23, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am seriously not kidding
Losing Werner was the definition of addition by subtraction. Think of the talent difference between Young as a freshman and Werner as a senior. It is immeasurable.
agreed 100% ski.
although Tyus does at times show symptoms of the Werner disease. he has a hard catching the ball at times, and basically plays volleyball with himself until he finally knocks it out of bounds. he also misses easy dunks and lay ups at times, sometimes he just seems to be trying way too hard and it hurts his playing. thats just something ive observed tho i could be a lone ranger here.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 23, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like every Gator plays the volleyball game with the basketball, and ultimately watches it go out of bounds.
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Tyus does have a mild case of the Werner disease though.
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one man volleyball
I love the description. You are right, with the exception of Patric Young – he grabs the ball with 2 hands and will rip off the arm of any opponent who dares come near the ball he is rebounding.
I get aggravated at Tyus, but do not loathe him as I did Werner. At least Tyus has some ability and collects a lot of rebounds inbetween dribbling off his clown feet. Werner brought nothing to the table other than his New Jersey Mr. Basketball award.
THUNDER DAN!!!!
people wont admit it, but Thunder Dan was the heart and soul of the team. best player by far! offensive power house and defensive beast. not really but I still yelled at donovan whenever he took werner out last year
Thunder Dan?
He was one of those rare players who managed to get worse as he gained experience. By his senior year, he was just plain awful. If he was the heart it’s no wonder the team flatlined.
That makes sense, but the issue is, BYU will quickly go to a zone. How is Florida’s offense against the zone (serious question, as an neutral fan).
I actually thought the bigs of Gonzaga would handle BYU but they did do a good job of limiting them, especially on the glass. That said, I still think that their bigs are a weaknesses and can be exploited. It should be a fun game.
D
Jimmer will not be used for D
they will zone up and have all year
they have the defender of the year and others that fills in the gaps so Jimmer can spend 40 min on the floor scoreing
its obvious that this guy lives up to his name with every post.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 23, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The BYU bloger here
It’s true that Jimmer’s D isn’t great. But that said the team goes into a zone to cover that up. If you try to run at Jimmer someone else will step up. I will agree that we have had trouble with opposing front courts all season, UCLA, New Mexico, and SDSU are all big up front, and those were with Davies (mostly.) But we don’t have a problem with opposing guards. Our best defender and the MWC defensive player of the year, Jackson Emery, usually covers them pretty well. So I wouldn’t worry about that.
Also we find ways to compensate for our lack of big men, look at the Gonzaga game. They outrebounded us and had more points in the paint and we still killed them. But I’m expecting a good hard fought game. Good Luck!
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And all of those games…(UCLA, New Mexico, and (once) SDSU) were losses for y’all.
The guards aren’t going to decide this game. It’s all about the front-court. UF would have the advantage whether Davies was still playing or not.
The Once and Future King
I am set on this point and the Zags bigs are nothing like UF’s. The Zags might have a little more height overall but the Gators are much more athletic and can rotate more in. The Gators haven’t had a player foul out of a game this year, and that shows that they play smart as well.
The Once and Future King
Officiating
Don’t overlook its importance.
IF Jimmer gets extra superstar treatment, ESPECIALLY if Boynton can’t go, this might become an issue.
Very true. Boynton is the key. He is the guy that is match-up with the other teams go to scorer. Hopson (Tennessee), Lighty (Ohio State), Knight (Kentucky), the Pullen kid from Kansas State, and the many others from UCLA, Vandy…etc Boynton has done alright, and as I said above, not one Gator has fouled out this season.
They know how to guard players, though Jimmer is the only one like you said that brings that “superstar treatment” element to the table.
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Defending Jimmer
You’re going to want a long athletic guy on him, I was thinking Tyus. Two short guards won’t do it, he’ll shoot right over them. Boynton and Tyus would work better.
And if you watch BYU play Jimmer doesn’t get as many bs calls as you’d think. He’s very physical and strong and draws a lot of contact driving to the hole. Very hard to csll him.
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by sabbi on Mar 23, 2011 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah. Tyus though, while he does play away from the hoop more-so than Macklin or Young, Parsons is the one who I would think would provide the help defense.
If the Gators had Boynton as the primary defender, and then help from Tyus and Parsons, I think combined that they would be able to slow Jimmer down enough.
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Tyus on Jimmer?
Haaaaa! Sorry. I had a mental image of Tyus tripping over his onw shoes while Jimmer drains threes.
I don't want Tyus anywhere near the top of the key
on offense or defense. Tyus is what I refer to as a catfish. He is great for rummaging around underneath, cleaning the glass and getting garbage baskets.
Yea that would not be a good match up at all.
Maybe for BYU
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Haha, thanks but I lost my rooting interest long ago (Wake). Just saw this article on the front page and decided to check it out.
recruiting
probly has a say in it too. Wake is one of those schools that has always had a tough time recruiting because of thier strict acedemic standards. Vanderbilt is the same way, but somehow their basketball team pulls it off.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 23, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
strict academic standards?
It doesn’t seem to bother Duke too much. Vandy is another great example, as is Stanford.
thats because duke is on a whole different level.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Notre Dame
the list of successful programs with rigid academic requirements is pretty long. I don’t think Wake should get a pass on those grounds – at least not in basketball.
What about BYU?
Not just for academics either, which is an issue, but the HC as well.
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that is an excellent point
I would think that the code would be an even bigger obstacle than academics insofar as recruiting talented athletes, but BYU does a fine job in both hoops and football.
That's why I mentioned them.
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by sabbi on Mar 23, 2011 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I kind of like the idea of playing BYU at this point
Our team was devastated after that loss last season and it explains much of the growing up our team has done this season. It isn’t often you get to avenge a loss on such a big stage. I am hoping that we come out like a team possessed.
I am pretty sure Fredette is going to has his normal huge game, but I would hope that it would take more than one man to beat us.
You realize ski…that if Macklin has another game like he did against UCLA that you are going to have a hard time topping your rants about the situation. Haha.
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True 'dat
But I don’t suspect it will happen. While not completely consistent, Macklin hasn’t strung together multiple poor performances. Plus, UCLA had that gigantic Shoneys big boy that was giving him fits. I don’t think BYU has anyone comparable to Smith.
Macklin in the postseason
is only averaging 3 rebounds per game in our 5 postseason games. That needs to change.
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The key to success for BYU is to not fall behind early while Florida is concentrating all their energy on Jimmer. If BYU’s supporting players heat up, the pressure on Jimmer will relax and the Cougars should have an easy time gator wrestling. BYU did it against Gonzaga, and I like their chances of doing so again.
Inside Game
I think you are overconfident in your team’s inside game and how that dominance will win the game. Gonzaga has 2 players that are 7 feet tall and aren’t slouches scoring and playing defense. BYU was able to play with them and even blocked a few shots on their bigs. Granted, Gonzaga outrebounded BYU by about 12 boards, but if BYU shoots the ball as well as they shot against Gonzaga then it doesn’t matter how many rebounds your team gets, BYU didn’t miss enough on the offensive end of the game to have it make any kind of difference. I expect this to be a hard game and may the best team win! Go Cougars!!
Not all inside
I think this team’s strength is its guards and the entire team’s ability to run the floor and get the ball to one another. We have 4 guys who can shoot the 3 (plus Wilbekin has started showing that range too), so if they are on, the zone may not work.
Lots of things can happen. I am not as confident as FlaGators, but he has been pretty impressive predicting games as of late. He called the entire SEC tournament beginning to end.
Only 3 can shoot from 3 from what I've seen of the stats.
Walker can, Parsons can, and Murphy can. No one else is above 34%. Boynton is a 33% shooter from three.
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Yeah. But Boynton can get hot. Very hot from 3. And he isn’t afraid to jack them up either. He is like Antoine Walker back in the day.
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Oh ok.
Well I hope he doesn’t get hot tomorrow. lol
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Boynton is the 4th I was referring to
his shooting percentage is a bit misleading because he started the season shooting terribly, but picked it up once conference play started. He shot 36.4% from 3 pt range in conference play, and he shot 41% in the conference tournament. He is streaky though- when he’s on, he can hit 3 straight. When he’s not – he can miss a lot of them too.
I think some of you need to re-watch last year’s game. Boynton went off, scoring at will on Jimmer. Boynton had his best game of the season, and scored like 27 pts. Jimmer only had like 20 pts in regulation. It was only after Boynton got called for 3 cheap fouls and fouled out in OT that Jimmer started scoring.
Boynton's a go - and claims to be 100%
I wouldn’t expect him to say “I’m playing hurt and will only be around 80%” but for what it’s worth, here’s the article which includes a picture of Kenny’s tat filled torso.
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