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Friday Forum: On Talking Trash, Will Muschamp, and Steve Spurrier

Friday Forum, otherwise known as "the feature we will use to ask questions and spark discussions when the most important things happening in Florida Gators athletics are tennis matches," will be up every Friday around 1 p.m. Eastern. No shots at tennis.

So there was a fair bit of discussion about Will Muschamp's quip about Aubrey Hill's interest in getting out of Miami and joining the Florida coaching staff earlier this week. I laughed, you laughed, and no Miami fans said anything because I think they're still trying to figure out why it all went downhill from Willis McGahee's knee. (No shots at Willis McGahee, definitely my favorite non-Gator player of that season.)

But as trash talk goes, isn't a remark at a Gator Club meeting a benign thing?

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Muschamp's not coming into this job with any outsized swagger; in fact, I'd say Urban Meyer's oft-quoted "top one percent of one percent" line counts as bigger talk than anything Muschamp's said so far. And Muschamp isn't taking the swipes Meyer did — the School Out West moniker for Florida State, for example. But I appreciate that he is conscious of the in-state rivalries Florida will always be a part of, and that he's got a sense of humor that could make good use of those opportunities. In that way, Muschamp doesn't remind me of his predecessor, but of the progenitor of the golden era of Florida football.

Muschamp's obviously not going to be Steve Spurrier when it comes to smack. If there's a finer diss in the annals of college football than the Ol' Ball Coach — yeah, that's how we're going to stylize it 'round these parts — decimating Auburn with this quote, I don't know it:

Steve Spurrier, Florida football coach, telling Gator fans that a fire at Auburn's football dorm had destroyed 20 books: "But the real tragedy was that 15 hadn't been colored yet."

I'll respect wit until I die, and Spurrier's one of the wittier figures in sports: For that reason, among many others, I'm a Spurrier fan for life. I'll also accept that Spurrier's wit was acerbic bordering on caustic at times, and that his arrogance wasn't always good. Hate that should have been lathered on Spurrier alone for his style and smarm got applied to a Gators resurgence that would have been pretty remarkable if anyone else had been the coach.

As such, it's been easy to hate Florida, and the football program (and school) has been reviled as a nouveau riche collection of snobs by a fair number of college football diehards. These are the folks who don't much care that the same program that has a fifth of the last 15 national championships; they care more about the none before 1996.

Spurrier's success with the trash talk ethos helps combats that criticism. We don't get Spencer Hall caring as passionately or writing as well about sports if Spurrier is only half as swash-buckling as he is, I don't think, and we as Gators fans certainly don't get a lot of the fringe benefits of a top-five football program if Spurrier's audacity doesn't translate to championships.

And if part of that is Spurrier joking that Auburn players read coloring books, well, I'm fine with taking some of that crassness as light-hearted ribbing. Spurrier knew where the lines were and danced on them masterfully.

I hope Muschamp can do some of what Spurrier did, both with his words and on the field.

And now, I want to know what you think. Do you like Muschamp taking a shot at Miami? Do you miss Spurrier's slams? (Have a favorite?) Do you think I'm not giving Meyer credit for a sense of humor? Let's chat in the comments.

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The pinnacle of Spurracity

came when the Ol’ Ball Coach was asked if he thought he would be around to see Florida surpass Georgia in the all-time series. (and I’m paraphrasing here)

“Oh, I dunno, 15 years is a long time.”

Georgia had a 14-game edge in the series at the time. Yeah, I could get used to that kind of talk again.

Jorts: Beating Georgia with Stunning Regularity Since 1990

by Jean Shorts Torture on Apr 22, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

And now it is 46-40-2 in favor of UGA.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a fellow Spurrier fan, I miss his jabs.

Too many classics to name, but he helped make rivalries just that…rivalries. Sure it riled up opposing teams and fans, but that was the point. Spurrier knew what he was doing. In the same way I believe Muschamp does too.

Those club meetings are meant to get fans excited and he did just that. It did no harm and gave the average fan a “hell yeah!” Muschamp, like Spurrier, isn’t stupid.

I definitely don’t think Urban got enough credit because he was seen as a negative force to the media for parts of his orange and blue stint, but if you listened to what he said, he had a little of that motivational, trash talk humor too.

I’ll leave you with “you can’t spell Citrus with out U and T.”

by The Bull Gator on Apr 22, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

On that same note:

Did you know that Peyton Manning passed on the NFL draft and returned for his senior year to become a 4-time Citrus Bowl MVP?

Jorts: Beating Georgia with Stunning Regularity Since 1990

by Jean Shorts Torture on Apr 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Urban couldn’t hold Spurrier’s visor when it comes to trash talk.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urban's biggest problem was how poorly his regime treated the media.

I have yet to hear one person praise Florida’s football media relations over the last six years. And I know more than a few people who have covered football.

Read these things I wrote: SB Nation Archive

by Andy Hutchins on Apr 22, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this was hilarious. I applauded Urban when he did that. Same with Gundy out at Okie State.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fowler deserved some of that.

But only some. I think Urban overreacted to galvanize the team and play Papa Bear, but there were much better ways he could have handled that.

Read these things I wrote: SB Nation Archive

by Andy Hutchins on Apr 22, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, probably so. But I sure as heck liked it.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't spell Citrus without UT

That’s my favorite Spurrier quote (even though he played there frequently as well)

Get out of my House!

by ECFIVESTER on Apr 22, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spurrier is the man!

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

If frat houses were to come up, the Zooker takes the cake.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

[Coach redacted]

I turned on him during the 2004 LSU game. I stuck with him until then, because he was our coach, but being at that game and watching what could have been a nationally-televised rout slip into as Zookian a defeat as there was, I finally quit. Not long after the Missy St game happened, and he was finished.

Though like Addazio, he does have one good thing that must always be acknowledged- Ron Zook Field.

by swampchomp7 on Apr 22, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is him celebrating the naming of Ron Zook Field.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Muschamp

is Muschamp and I expect him to become brash after he achieves success first, but not before, but I look forward to hip bumps on the field after a fumble recovery or int or touchdown more than anything.

Get out of my House!

by ECFIVESTER on Apr 22, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I would take a "BOOM, MFer!"

But hip bumps are great, too.

Read these things I wrote: SB Nation Archive

by Andy Hutchins on Apr 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

As someone who is in the job market.....

there are only two locations in this entire country, that I’ve said I will not consider moving to, and Miami is one of them. I’m sure Muchamp was making a little crack at Miami, but the guy is from Gainesville, played football in Athens, and then coached in Baton Rouge, Auburn, Austin, and finally Miami. It’s entirely possible, that Miami simply doesn’t appeal to him. There are plenty of us who feel the same way.

As for the trash talk thing, I’m a little torn, and not your average Gator on this subject. I hated Spurrier growing up, and to be honest, I still dislike the arrogance that a lot of Florida fans display. It irritates me that we have a [i]nouveau riche[/i] reputation, when we’ve been IMO the best team in the country over the last 20 years. I also think that nothing says [i]nouveau riche[/i] like acting like you’ve never been there before. If the University, coaches, players, and fans all expect to win, and compete for national championships, then why act like an ass to your opposition when it happens? I know that I deviate from the norm on this issue, but hey…opinions, and worlds going round etc etc

by Cardsfan25 on Apr 22, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Protip:
you want to italicize[/i] except replace the [ and ] with < and >.

Like this.

Read these things I wrote: SB Nation Archive

by Andy Hutchins on Apr 22, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

See what I mean. That is just so dang confusing. You HTML people. Haha.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Show off. :)

But seriously, the overall formatting guide at SB Nation is wrong 70% of the time. Someone has really dropped the ball at headquarters. That and those ridiculous newsletters that is so Bleacher Report-esque it is a joke.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do have the most wins since 1990 I believe. I don’t have a problem with when you are the best, making sure everyone knows it. But then again, I’m a trash talker.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess, but IMO the wins should speak for themselves.

Every group talks trash, and every group celebrates it’s wins, but I just don’t like like that we have a reputation for being extremely poor sports. Don’t get me wrong, we’re not LSU, but we’re not exactly magnanimous in victory, or defeat.

by Cardsfan25 on Apr 22, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

No we are not. I agree. But that isn’t the worst things that a group of fans can be. Especially, as long as it keeps us from having a decade like FSU had. I’d rather be considered jerks than suffer a decade of losing.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see how those things are mututally exclusive.

To me it almost seems like being a poor sport, is tempting karma.

by Cardsfan25 on Apr 22, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It probably is tempting karma.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to agree

I’m not a huge fan of the trash talking, and while I have to respect what Spurrier did for us, he often drove me nuts with his mouth. An example of this is when he called out his own coach at USC when they asked him why is offense (defense maybe, can’t remember) played the way they did, and he said “I don’t know, let’s get so and so out here and ask him”, calling the coach out in front of the press.

Also, I agree about the fans now, especially younger fans that don’t remember the down years. It seems like they are entitled to win, and can’t even fathom losing. It doesn’t matter how confident or cocky your fans are, it comes down to the play on the field, and having obnoxious, arrogant fans don’t help that. I just don’t want to be a fanbase of douchebags, where we are thrown in with some other teams that I won’t mention.

All that said, I had never heard that Auburn quote from Spurrier, and it is one of the best I have ever heard.

by Basshole on Apr 22, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feeling “entitled” to win is the worst feeling a fan can have. No matter how bad Gators fans are at that, we will never even come close to matching Alabama or Notre Dame fans in that respect.

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by FlaGators on Apr 22, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

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