AJ Green told me Janoris Jenkins is a "top 5 talent" as good as Patrick Peterson. Shouldn't last in supplemental draft
Yahoo's Dan Wetzel. So there's that, I guess.
about 1 year ago
Andy Hutchins
52 comments
0 recs |
Email
PrintComments
The way he covered SEC receivers, this sounds about right.
by The Bull Gator on Apr 27, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good thing the combine is already over because I think AJ might have pulled a muscle making that stretch. ;)
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Or maybe he watched the FSU game where Ponder & Jimbo were so terrified of him they refused to throw at his side of the field...
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Guys I wasn’t saying he is a bad player, but to say he is on Peterson’s level is ludicrous. And if you want to get together and watch that game again I’d be more than happy to join ya.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
sounds good to me...
let’s make it a marathon session. We can watch the last 7. That should be fun huh?
You bastard. Touche.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
I'll trust AJ's judgement over yours...
Given that he actually lined up across from both PP & JJ rather than sitting at his computer keyboard when making his assessment of each……
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
by gatorhippy on Apr 27, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So if he has top 5 talent why was he returning to college? Because he got a 2nd-3rd round grade from the draft advisory board. I’m not basing what I am saying off of my assessment of Jenkins, I am making it based off of the actual experts’ assessments. Peterson is being discussed as a potential top pick, and is a definite top 10 pick as a CB. While Jenkins is a good player, the two aren’t on the same level.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Maybe you should have read all that paragraph...
Several NFL Draft analysts — including Mel Kiper of ESPN — have given Jenkins first-round grades for April’s NFL Draft.
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
So why did he come back to school for another year? And the grade most certainly was not a top-10 one.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
So let's see here...
On one hand you’ve got one guy anonomously stating JJ recieved a 2/3 rnd grade then you’ve got verifiaction in the NEXT sentence that he received first round grades from several other places including what would be considered probably THE GUY when it comes to NFL Draft prospects…
I’ve got an imaginary dollar for you if you can show me a link from before JJ decided to stay in school that shows 10 CBs in front of JJ…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Sorry meant top-10 overall draft pick my man, you know like where Peterson is projected to be drafted?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Being a "top ten" or other number talent...
Largely depends on the order of the teams picking, their needs, how many picks they have in the first round and any trades made in order to move up or down in the draft order…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Just Google Janoris Jenkins draft projection and you will see that he was projected at best as a late 1st round pick. If you really want proof though of the difference in talent between Peterson and Jenkins, read straight from the horses mouth. Mel Kiper had him rated as the 25 overall prospect. Peterson is the #3 overall prospect.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Umm okay...
So we can probably agree that “late first round” and “25th overall prospect” is definitely NOT the same as 2/3 round…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Yes, but no where in my argument did I say he was 2/3rd round quality player. I said that he was not on the same level as Peterson. He received that draft grade from the advisory board, and I don’t know what criteria the board uses, but I bet his injury hampered his rating some since he may have not been able to perform at the combine. Maybe character issues too? I dk.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
So what does this mean?
Because he got a 2nd-3rd round grade from the draft advisory board.
And since you claim that you’re backing up your opinion up via “point and click” resources…
Surely appears that what you are saying…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Because he got a 2nd-3rd round grade from the draft advisory board.And since you claim that you’re backing up your opinion up via "point and click" resources…
Surely appears that what you are saying…
You have ceased making any sense unless you can elucidate whatever this is supposed to mean, I am done with the convo.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Well...let's see if we can break it down in a manner you'll be able to lucidly comprehend...
Your opinion was formed by what you read on the internet…and you read that JJ was rumored to be a 2nd/3rd round projection…and used that to back up your argument that he wasn’t a top 5 talent as AJ suggested…
Which all certainly suggests in my minds eye that your opinion would be that JJ is in fact a 2nd/3rd rounder at best given that A)you cited a web article that has an anonymous source saying the same and B) you are refuting that I feel otherwise all based on maybe watching the kid play a minimum of three full games EVER and also what you have read on the internet…
And after claiming all that and using all that…you essentially stutteringly backtrack over yourself to say “no…err..umm that’s not what I’m saying”…
Did you grasp it that time?…Or should we maybe have one of those famous FSU tutors explain it to you?
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
It seems as though you are the one who needs reading comprehension lessons my friend. Point out any point where I say that I believe he is a 2nd-3rd round talent if you can do that I will concede this argument. I merely said:
Because he got a 2nd-3rd round grade from the draft advisory board. I’m not basing what I am saying off of my assessment of Jenkins, I am making it based off of the actual experts’ assessments. Peterson is being discussed as a potential top pick, and is a definite top 10 pick as a CB. While Jenkins is a good player, the two aren’t on the same level.
If I bold it does that help you see it better? That is from my first response to you. See how I never say that I think he is a 2nd to 3rd round talent? Instead I say, as it has been reported by numerous sources, that he returned to school because the DRAFT ADVISORY BOARD gave him an unfavorable projection. But way to try and twist my words too bad they are there for you and everyone to see clearly.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Umm yeah...
You just highlighted where you stated your opinion as being that he was a 2-3 rounder off of what you had read…
Which is what I said youi did…
Thanks for playing…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
And what's really cute...
Is that you verified exactly what I stated…you’re basing your opinion from your point and click abilities…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
This is what you said…
I’ll trust AJ’s judgement over yours…
I based my opinion off of the opinion of draft experts, while you are basing yours off of a college kid’s assessment. You know how we both got to see those opinions? By using our “point and click” skills on the internet. Nice spin though, that was indeed cute.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Except that...
You didn’t make any reference to anybody else’s opinion…until you got called out…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Yes I backed up my opinion with the opinion of experts. That how you lend credibility to the position you take in a debate.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
So did you come to the conclusion yourself?...or did you come tpo the conclusion after eading umpteen different ratings on the interwebs?
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Not sure what your point is? How do you form opinions? There are numerous factors including what I have seen of both players and different analyses on the interwebs.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Well..my opinion is largely based on...
Watching the kid play in person in a minimum of 10 games per season since he’s been at UF…
Coupled with watching him at least another 14 times either during a live broadcast or via DVR each season he’s been at UF…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
And you have seen Peterson how many times? So why don’t you trust the evaluators from Kiper to McShay to every single team and understand that Peterson is a better prospect. These guys have watched both players more times that both of us combined, with much more attention to detail and knowledge.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Whoa...please piont to where I EVER stated PP was better...
And don’t change the pint of the discussion…
Which is not whether Peterson > Jenkins…but rather whether JJ was first round prospect…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Lets backtrack since you are clearly need a refresher on what we are talking about. This is my first post in this thread:
Good thing the combine is already over because I think AJ might have pulled a muscle making that stretch. ;)
It was referring to this quote by Dan Wentzel:
AJ Green told me Janoris Jenkins is a “top 5 talent” as good as Patrick Peterson. Shouldn’t last in supplemental draft
Are you still there? See how I was saying that AJ Green suggesting Janoris is as good as Peterson is a stretch? Or was the joke to subtle for you? I was never disputing or discussing whether Jenkins was a 1st round prospect, I was saying that saying that putting Jenkins as the caliber of Peterson is a wrong.
We have already established that many evaluators had JJ as a late 1st early 2nd round pick and as you have said I have not seen enough of JJ to truly know and so I trust them. I also trust them when I see that they have Peterson ranked as a top 3 overall prospect and JJ as #25. You have tried to convolute and twist this conversation into something it is not because you have not been able to win the argument.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
What I like here is...
You’re taking a totally different stance than what you did above and furthering your own contradictions…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
Let's just revisit this in 2 years
and we’ll see who pans out better in the NFL. Otherwise, this is just a bunch of noise. Draft “experts” are wrong as often as “Joe from Greenville” on your local call in show.
Me thinks that rollnole might be Joe...
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
by gatorhippy on Apr 28, 2011 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Denver will pick him up
He can get all the pot he can handle here.
Couple of other good places for him...
Seattle-great bud stateside and a quick hop over the border to the BC…
San Fran & Oakland-booming med MJ scenes and could become a celebrity tester for Oaksterdam U…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
+1
If we don’t go Peterson we could snag him in the supplemental.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
by BeachBronco on Apr 28, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
PP might be better overall but...
JJ is the best cover man in the country hands down. He shut down green, jones, and alshon. PP might be better returning punts and against the run but JJ shut there of the best receivers in the nation. He would be the second DB taken if he had gone to the draft or first next year if he hadn’t gotten arrested again.
I would agree with this
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
I'll take Joe Haden every day of the week over Jenkins
Even if they were equals on the field, Haden doesn’t come with a rap sheet.
Haden...
Is certainly the better tackler…but i’d give the edge to JJ in man to man coverage…
You may not like what I have to say...but somebody has to say it...
by gatorhippy on Apr 28, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Alligator Army
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
SHOP THE ALLIGATOR ARMY STORE
