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Alligator Army Round Table Part One: The Florida Gators Offense

With just a few days left until the Gators kick-off their 2011 campaign, I thought it would be fun to get some of the editors and authors from Alligator Army together in a round table discussion. The purpose of all this? I guess there really isn’t one. Other than to answer a few questions, have some fun and get to know the other authors a little bit more.

In part one, we talk about what our expectations are for the offense under Charlie Weis, John Brantley and even get into an argument over which is better: DirecTV or Dish Network? Okay, I made that last part up. Everyone knows that DirecTV is by far the better choice.

Anyway, on to the discussion about the offense. Hope y’all enjoy it.

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Question #1: What expectations do you have for John Brantley and the rest of the offense under Charlie Weis?

skigator93: My expectations for the offense and Brantley are that they get better each game. If we get 4-5 games into the season and Brantley still isn't getting it, it will be time to move on. There will be little point in hoping Brantley comes around his senior year down the stretch. My expectations are tempered for the offense in general though because the players were recruited to run a spread, so I expect some definite growing pains there.

BKGator: I may be one of the few who thinks John Brantley is going to have an excellent year this year under Weis and will be drafted in the first three rounds of the NFL draft. Meyer's system fit Brantley like a square peg in a round hole. I've seen this kid play extensively in high school. I probably saw 8 games his senior season and he looked every bit like the 5-star QB he was touted as. Last season was terrible play calling thanks to Steve Addazio (does the word "dive" ring a bell?) and the offensive line, which was supposed to be Florida's strength, not giving Brantley enough time to read the defense and throw the ball. As for the rest of the offense, I'm expecting huge things out of Demps and Rainey. These guys are explosive and I bet one of these guys rushes for 1,000 yards. And their YPC avg will be over 7. If Thompson can hang on to balls, Hammond can make plays, and Dunbar can stretch the defense, it could be a special year. That's a lot of big ifs. I think the X-Factor of this offense is Omarius Hines. The guys a beast. Probably one of the most underrated players on the team. Overall, I think Brantley throws 20 TDs to 7 INTs, much better than last year. Florida averages over 28 ppg. Just my humble opinion.

swampchomp7: For the offense in general: I wouldn’t say I have an expectation, so much as a plea- no matter what our record, can the offense please appear to have someone at the wheel? Last year was like the most crash-happy NASCAR race you’ll ever see, but at 10mph, and you can clearly see the walrus behind the steering wheel. It’s easy to say this now, as opposed to when we’re sitting at 4-4, but as long as we appear to have a coherent plan and structure to the offense, I’ll be happy.

If I do have to give some sort of expectation, I’ll go with this- it will look okay, but not great. In one season we’re installing a very different offense and reinstalling the confidence program in a senior quarterback, and even a best-case scenario spits out a prognosis of purty good, but not great.

For Brantley: I am an ardent Brantley defender. To clarify, I’m not trying to convince anyone that he’s great, I’m just trying to state that last year cannot be fairly blamed on him, and certainly not to the extent that it has been. A brief rundown of nearly every possession:

First down: TIME TO DIVE! One yard gain. OR: Bad snap, poor blocking, loss of seven. Second down: Same Burton draw play they run every time. Meh to decent outcome. Third down: Y Hallo Thar Brantley, we need you to throw a 20 yard pass to get us out of this mess. BTW the defense knows we’re going to throw and also that we can’t snap and also that we can’t block. Good luck!

By the time we were over halfway through the season, Brantley was a shell of what he was or could have been. That interception he tossed early in the FSU game was bad, but at that point I’d argue that he was long since finished. The guy has been unfairly singled out (after Addazio) as the cause of all problems last year. But if anyone can rebuild a pro-style qb in one year, isn’t it Weis? I can’t help but return to the thought of "this is the guy who made Brady Quinn a first round draft pick". Much as it still makes my HEAD A SPLODE to realize I now must show some degree of well-wishing for Weis’ success, I think he’s best suited to do it. I anticipate Brantley being solid if not spectacular, and hopefully this will hold at bay enough of the idiots who scream for "new and shiny" (in this case, Driskell. These are the same types who wanted Tebow to start over Leak in 2006. You only start a true freshman when there is genuinely no alternative- see Chris Leak vs. Ingle Martin, 2003).

I’m not telling anyone to be for Brantley, just not to be unreasonably against him.

Hook85: One minute I think the hiring of Charlie Weis is genius and his great offensive mind will show case the real John Brantley. Not the shell shocked QB that we saw last year that could only complete five yard passes without even taking a glance at the other receivers. Then the pessimism in me wonders if last season’s John Brantley is the best were going to get.  I know Brantley is from a long line of Gators and I expected so much from him, but If Brantley continues where he left off last season; the other QB’s should get a shot at it before the season is over.

FlaGators: I'm a big believer when it comes to Weis' ability to run an offense. What he was able to do at Notre Dame in his first year was unbelievable. Unfortunately, I don't have all that much confidence in John Brantley. Physically, I think he can handle it. I do think he can throw the heck out of the football. I just don't know if mentally, he has it anymore. Or if he ever even had it. But, if I were to pick one person to help Brantley regain whatever it is he lost, I'd pick Charlie Weis. The wide-receivers worry me more than the running backs. I have a lot of faith in Demps, Rainey and Brown to get the job done. As for the receivers, especially after the A.C. Leonard injury, I have quite a few questions. After Hammond and Dunbar I just don't really see another receiver that would scare another team. Sure Hines, Thompson, Debose and Clark have had some moments, but there is a reason why (other than Debose) that they really haven't done much to this point. I have hopes for Ja'Juan Story though. Count me in the group that won't be surprised if he ends up seeing a significant amount of playing time.

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Jordan Reed / Trey Burton

Are either one of those guys the realistic go-to if Brantly doesn’t pan out, or will the true freshman get the nod? And… is he anywhere close to being ready?

Has either one of Reed/Burton even been taking snaps during the Spring?

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

If Brantley doesn’t pan out/gets injured…it is going to be Driskel who gets first chance. Then as of right now Tyler Murphy or Brissett (probably Murphy) get’s the next nod.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

So the burton/reed experiment set sail along with Meyer?

Products of the spread?

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Appears that way. Which I’m glad. They either could a) read a defense or b) make the throws

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

  • couldn’t

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have mixed feelings on the Urban Meyer deal

I’m glad the SOB is gone because he knew how to win, but…

I just think people are going to catch onto the gimmick offenses. Look at what Tebow is going through now. Had that kid progressed in a pro-style offense, he would have the tools he needed to succeed.

Sure, Urban won a lot of football games in the short-term, but those types of schemes just don’t seem to be a stable long-term platform. Recruits need to know that their future’s will be secure.

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. But only at certain positions. Look at Harvin (and Maclin) for example. Harvin’s career in the NFL is built upon what he did at UF. Same as Maclin out in Philly (by way of Mizzou). Aaron Hernandez as well. They learned their trade in college (gimmick offense) and it has helped them extremely well in the NFL.

It varies by position.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good points

I guess I’m just old-school though. I just like pro-style offenses better.

Love the Alabama look where they say, “ok, we are running to the left and we want you to give us your best shot at stopping it. After we are done with that and you sell-out against it, we’ll play action back to the right for a TD.”

The spread hit the CFB world by storm and offenses had defenses at a disadvantage for a while, but I think you are seeing a paradigm shift back to a defensive advantage. Watch what FSU does this year for example, with more zone coverages and shifty/speedy middle linebackers, the spread is going to get figured out fast. Once that happens, the smaller players that the spread leans towards are going to get eaten alive.

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

See, that offense to me is kind of boring. But I’m a defensive guy though. So I think almost all offenses are boring. The only offense I’ve ever loved was the Fun n’ Gun.

The only defense that I ever saw that stopped the spread was Muschamp’s when he was at Auburn. And yeah, I see a lot of similarities between FSU and a lot of those SEC teams that slowed Florida down.

But yeah, I do agree that it won’t be too long before defenses figure it out. It really isn’t all that hard. You’ve just got to have the right personnel.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's kinda like boxing for me

I like the welter-weight fights sometimes because those guys are just so fast.. but it’s when the heavy-weights duke it out that you’re like “damn…”

Smash-mouth to me is more a test of metal. The gimmick stuff is just irritating to deal with, lol.

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, yeah. I was at the 2008 SEC Championship Game (UF vs Bama)….I was also at the 2009 Game…but we aren’t going to talk about that….and man that ’Bama offense was soooooooooooo boring. The Gators won the game, but the 3rd quarter, was so damn boring. It was like I was watching a Red Sox – Yankees baseball game.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kudos

on the Red Sox-Yankees = boring. There are other games ESPN and Fox!

Brantley Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Jon... John is inside right now. I tried to get an interview with him, but they said no, you can't do that he's a live Gator, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the Brantley] Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Brantley!

by ECFIVESTER on Aug 29, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm...

You do realize that the spread offense is actually much older then the so called west coast/pro-style offense I hope. Older than FSU football for that matter. Like all things in football it comes and goes in cycles.

Like you noted, speed is the key. If you have slow defensive players they will get eaten alive (Hello Big 10!) and if you have fast ones you can account for speed on the offense. That’s true no matter which type of offense it is though.

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by SC-Gator on Aug 29, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did not know this

Thought the spread was only introduced in the last 10 years?

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

For any interested...

Found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_offense

Looks like the basics have been around since 1927 with widespread incorporation by TCU in the 50’s.

I think the “modern” spread is what I was talking about. But still neat to get a history lesson on it. I guess it’s something, like you said, that had a history – died down – then got reintroduced at the right time for success.

Sort of like Paul Johnson’s triple option attack. Nobody knew what the hell to do against it for a few years before they figured it back out again.

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if you read Smart Football...

…and you really should if you have any interest in the mechanics and history of the game… but Chris has a great writeup on the history of the spread offense as a concept. Well worth reading. What has changed, especially with coaches like RichRod and Urban, is the more prominent use of the option in the spread.

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by SC-Gator on Aug 29, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong!

Alabama uses a lot of disguises and shifts to keep the defense guessing. They have been good when they have had a good QB and a good RB. They keep you off balance because you don’t know if they are running or throwing the ball and they have been very effective at both.

The spread is far from dead! I, too, has a zillion ways to mutate, depending on what the defenses are doing. Had we not lost Dan Mullen, our offense would have clicked right along. As long as you have the right type of players, you can be successful! Look at Mullen, at Miss. State and what he continues to do against teams like Bama. If their defense had been a little better, they would have won a bunch of games last year. There’s many picking them to beat Bama this year, in an upset. Mullen made the machine click, at UF and Meyer shot himself in the foot by hiring an idiot, who was not a spread expert! Meyer should have found a coach with experience and a successful history with the spread.

I like the pro-style more, as well. I believe that most top recruits, with NFL goals, want to play in a pro-style offense, so, it should help us get some big name receivers! I don’t, however, see the spread going anywhere!

by John Curtis on Aug 30, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would respectfully disagree with you there.

First, Meyer’s offense is predicated on great blocking, first and foremost. Just because he would happen to spread the field hardly makes his offense “gimmicky.”

As far as Tebow goes, if he goes to a pro-style college team, he doesn’t even get a shot in the NFL. The guy is neck-and-neck with one such player (Brady Quinn, who was given all those “tools”) for a backup job right now. Meanwhile, what is Greg McElroy doing these days? Or John Parker Wilson?

Don’t believe a lot of what ESPN feeds you in that regard. The Packers completely tore down and rebuilt Aaron Rodgers’ mechanics when he came out of college. Donovan McNabb could flat-out not throw the football when he came into the league. It’s not so rare as you think, remaking a player into an NFL passer. Unfortunately, Tebow has a couple of things working against him. He doesn’t have a coaching staff or front office that has any interest in developing him, and he has a sports network in ESPN that has created a narrative for his career prior to his even being drafted, and they’re manipulating the story to fit that narrative. Where do you think the Orton trade rumors came from? Where do you think the “Tebow is the starter” rumors came from? ESPN’s class “nameless source,” that’s where. He’d be in a much different place right now had McDaniels been retained.

by Steel Gator on Aug 29, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very good insight

Thanks for that

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also,

How do you think Driskel will fair if worst comes to worse?

True freshman against an SEC slate? Scary.

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

If that is the case, it depends on which part of the schedule he happens to get to. If it is say, early on or late in the year, I think he does alright. If it is October (Bama, LSU, Auburn and Georgia), I’ll say he struggles.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

So best case scenario is to make a call on Brantley in the first 1 maybe 2 games?

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that ship has sailed. In Brantley we trust…

I guess.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like it

Put all your chips in the pot and hope for the best. Either you’re going to be pleasantly surprised, or you’re going to go down in a blaze of glory.

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. In all seriousness, that’s the way I’d like to see things done as well.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

They say the worst course of action

Is inaction.

Sans Weatherford/Lee of the Late 2000’s.

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if Brantley is terrible. And by terrible I mean worse than last year, Muschamp will make the switch. Though I think it will take more than one two bad games.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

"What must be done eventually should be done immediately"

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by SC-Gator on Aug 29, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry to get way off topic, but enjoying our chat:

Hearing that once A&M splits, the “14th” will msot likely be VT or a NC team.

Has something happened in the last 2 weeks to split away from the FSU invite? I heard it went something like “Over Jeremy Foley’s dead body” when the subject came up.

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I haven’t been keeping up with it. I hope, as I’ve stated before, that FSU gets the call. But I haven’t been paying attention the last two weeks or so.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU doesn't bring new fans to the table

So what you’re hearing would be more in line with what the conference should ultimately seek. FSU may be a team that get’s the 15th or 16th spot should that happen (I hope not) but to justify expansion when you are the top dawg, would only come from expanding the fan base and revenue sources as well, more of a money expansion rather than competition expansion.

Brantley Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Jon... John is inside right now. I tried to get an interview with him, but they said no, you can't do that he's a live Gator, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the Brantley] Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Brantley!

by ECFIVESTER on Aug 29, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's really not too hard to figure...

FSU, GT, Clemson, and Louisville are not going to be getting any invites. Miami either for that matter. Anyone else is on the table.

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by SC-Gator on Aug 29, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great points, fellas

One thing though…my man, FlaGators. You mention your faith in our RB’s with Demps, Rainey, and Brown, but you left out Gillislee? That guy was a star last season and had serious flashes in 2009. I think he will have a breakout year as our “powerback”. Brown, at this point, hasn’t proven a thing besides fumbling in practice on espn and getting ol’ ’Champ mighty pissed…

by GoGators82 on Aug 29, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ahhh, crap. That’s right. Good call. I knew I was forgetting someone. Yeah…Gillislee. Excellent.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys think Rainey makes it through the year without an arrest?

I kid, I kid… but not really.

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And so it begins…

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could not help myself.

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all good. It is game week. Not FSU-UF, but since it is game week, trash talking is fully acceptable. It is going to be a fun year.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

ANY takers on

Demps and Rainey both eclipsing 1,000 yards this year?

Brantley Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Jon... John is inside right now. I tried to get an interview with him, but they said no, you can't do that he's a live Gator, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the Brantley] Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Brantley!

by ECFIVESTER on Aug 29, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

Odds are too high that one or both will see time out for injuries.

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by SC-Gator on Aug 29, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't ruin my dreams!

but all to true

/crashes back to reality/

Brantley Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Jon... John is inside right now. I tried to get an interview with him, but they said no, you can't do that he's a live Gator, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the Brantley] Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Brantley!

by ECFIVESTER on Aug 29, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both? No. One of them? Maybe. But I’d have to get very favorable odds. Very favorable.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

1K Yards

There’s no reason why Demps and Rainey can’t gain 1K yards each! I believe we will run the ball more and the type of offense, I-Formation, really does play in to their strengths. If they stay healthy, look out! Rainey has gained a new focus and he will do extremely well. Muschamp really likes what he has seen from him! Demps is always solid. He would have ran for over 1K last year, had he no gotten injured. So, I really do expect each to break 1K yards, in Weiss’ system.

by John Curtis on Aug 30, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

3 reasons right here

1) Mike Gillislee
2) Mack Brown
3) John Brantley (or whomever ends up at QB)

To have dual thousand yard rushers, you need to be a run first, run heavy team. I think the Gators will be more balanced than that. Plus, we know Gillislee is too good not to get carries, and we hope Brown is as well. I would be surprised if the Gators have any thousand yard rushers this season.

by skigator93 on Aug 31, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

No no

It was just a damn typo man. He meant to say “Time to dive”. All that time spent around Dive Capt’n Addazio

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by SC-Gator on Aug 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW - Swampchomp7

This was awesome. Literally Lol’d.

First down: TIME TO DIVE! One yard gain. OR: Bad snap, poor blocking, loss of seven. Second down: Same Burton draw play they run every time. Meh to decent outcome. Third down: Y Hallo Thar Brantley, we need you to throw a 20 yard pass to get us out of this mess. BTW the defense knows we’re going to throw and also that we can’t snap and also that we can’t block. Good luck!

I don’t know if this is allowed, since the Noles are my team, but occassionally, I found myself ALMOST feeling sorry for Brantley. The above is 100% accurate from an outside perspective.

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by Nattylite on Aug 29, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It's 100% accurate from an inside perspective too

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by SC-Gator on Aug 29, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dive, dive, dive!

Brantley Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Jon... John is inside right now. I tried to get an interview with him, but they said no, you can't do that he's a live Gator, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the Brantley] Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Brantley!

by ECFIVESTER on Aug 29, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes sir, Dive Captn't sir!

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by SC-Gator on Aug 29, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

These are the same types who wanted Tebow to start over Leak in 2006

I was one of those guys. I still stand by it, too.

by skigator93 on Aug 29, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

That was an interesting aspect that year for sure. I was one who was content with going with Leak because we were winning.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't win a title with Tebow in 2006.

And I don’t know if we build off 2006’s title to win one in 2008, either.

Leak was good! WHY AM I ALONE IN THIS BOAT HEY GUYS COME BACK

by Andy Hutchins on Aug 29, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU ARE NOT ALONE

Actually, when you think of all the changes he had to go through every damn year, Leak was outstanding.

Bottom line, I don’t think we win it in 2006 without both of them.

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by SC-Gator on Aug 29, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Jarvis Moss!

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cock BLOCK!

from crickets to total erruption

Brantley Watch. The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Jon... John is inside right now. I tried to get an interview with him, but they said no, you can't do that he's a live Gator, he will literally rip your face off.
[to the Brantley] Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out here, Brantley!

by ECFIVESTER on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of things have to go right to win a national title.
But I don’t tihnk you can say we don’t win one if Tebow starts ahead of Leak.
The defense i 2006 was ultra stout, meaning the offense didn’t have to do much. All Leak really had to do was not make a ton of mistakes and we win.

I was at the 2006 Auburn game and I can confidently say we would have been way better off at that game if Tebow was in there in place of Leak. In fact, we moved the ball great when Tebow was in there that game.

by skigator93 on Aug 31, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

This offense will surprise some people.

There’s a lot of pessimism around Brantley, but I think those people are going to be pleasantly surprised. There’s no denying it — the guy was godawful last season. But do we really believe there are 80 Division I starting quarterbacks better than John Brantley? If so, that’s a gross underestimation of the havoc wrought by Steve Addazio. Much as Meyer and (some of) the players loved him, every unit that fell under his area of responsibility regressed over his entire tenure at Florida. The offensive line’s performance consistently degraded as he got more control of it. Same goes for the offense in general.

We’ve all seen Brantley throwing the football prior to 2010. We know he can make the throws. You can take any below-average passer straight out of high school, in a program at Florida’s talent level, and get 2500 yards and 20 TDs out of him. If you don’t, that’s all on coaching.

We don’t need a lot out of Brantley to get to 9-10 wins. Just throw for around 200 yards and 1-2 TDs per game, take care of the football, and make a handful of big plays throughout the season. That’s it. He doesn’t have to put the team on his back, and he doesn’t have to be a master at reading defenses, audibling into plays, etc. He just has to make some throws and not turn the ball over very often. I think, under Weis’ tutelage, we can get that and more out of him. With better coaching, we’d have gotten out of that last season, too.

by Steel Gator on Aug 29, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Not 80. But 20-30…at this point? Possibly.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post, SG...

Of course, this is what the coaches (and, by extension, all of us) are counting on: if he “blows up” for big numbers and a break-out year, that’ll be a happy surprise that’ll make ‘em look like geniuses and make us ALL happy (not to mention require the health and high level of play on the part of our receivers AND along the O-line), but all that’s NEEDED is the kind of smooth play and basic efficiency you describe to put the rest of the offense in position to outscore the other team—something this defense looks to make fairly doable in most games this season.
A lot has changed in this program, and on this team, since last year. No use going over it all here; suffice it to say most of us had no idea how “broke” the supposed “machine” was, it turns out, from top to bottom (and everything in between). Big change at “the top”, and it looks like he has done everything possible to fix the rest. Too much, too fast for this to be anything but a “transition year”? Certainly that’s what everyone “out there” thinks. Now we find out, right along with them.

by texgator on Aug 29, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's the real fear about Brantley

If he were a freshman (or even a junior as he was last season) and starting for the first time under Weis, we would have plenty of optimism. My fear is that Adazzio’s tenure has ruined him as a QB beyond repair. Unless he can somehow regain his confidence, which won’t be easy, it will be difficult for him to have much success at all.

by skigator93 on Aug 31, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point is, there were roughly 80 (give or take, don’t remember the exact number when I looked it up at the end of last season) better quarterback season performances than Brantley’s from starters in Division 1 football last year. Do we really believe Brantley is that bad? I sure don’t. If he plays to the level of being just the 31st-best QB in college, we win 1-2 more games easily. And I think he can get there, or better.

by Steel Gator on Aug 29, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

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by FlaGators on Aug 29, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Negative Comments Against Meyer

To call Meyer an SOB is being very unappreciative of what he did at UF! He only made UF the team of the decade! What is the hell do you expect! No team is going to win NC’s every year! And to say that Meyer’s offensive schemes have expired is pure ignorance! Why is Dan Mullen having so much success at Miss State. meter’s systems requires the right players. We missed out on some crucial players and we had some not pan out. The thing that hurt Meyer the most was losing Mullen and not replacing him with someone who understood the spread and who could get the most out of his players! Meyer went with Addazio and that was the kiss of death! Hopefully, Meyer has learned that you get the best person for the job, not the best job for a person, that you are close too! His loyalty to Addazio apparently went one way! Addazio should have told Meyer that if he found someone that had a track record with the spread, to take the best candidate! Instead, he jumped on Meyers back and was a load for Meyer to carry around!

The bottom line, Meyer is the best coach we have ever had and will remain so, until someone comes along and wins more NC’s than he did. Regardless of how you feel about him, that’s the only criteria that matters!

by John Curtis on Aug 30, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Spurrier more. I think he did more for UF football than Meyer.

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by FlaGators on Aug 30, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

But that’s like saying Paton was a better general than Eisenhower

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by SC-Gator on Aug 30, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take Ol’ Blood and Guts over Ike.

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by FlaGators on Aug 30, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

To call Meyer a SOB is exactly what a FSU fan should do. He did go 5-1 against them after all.

I agree completely about Florida fans trash talking him though.

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by SC-Gator on Aug 30, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

Well said!

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by Nattylite on Aug 30, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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