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A Defense of College Football's Bowl System: Do You Want A Minor-League NFL?

Troll2Troll, one of our finest commenters, has joined the Alligator Army staff (such as it is) to write the occasional piece. This is his first. I'm sure he would love comments.

The latest BCS disaster, this time in the form of a intra-divisional rematch in the BCS National Championship Game, has renewed calls for a major change in the way college football decides its champion. Inevitably these calls come from those supporting some fashion of a playoff system. The ideas range from a fairly mild plus-one model to the extremity of a full March Madness-style bracket.

It's a passionate debate, and one where I sympathize with the reformers. I do not join in their desires, however, as I think the playoff proponents have lost sight of the true evil in this sport: The National Football League, and everything that goes with it.

Star-divide

Before delving into why the NFL is the worst thing about the sport of American football, it's crucial to detail the ways in which "the League" has invaded the elder game of college football.

The most visible intrusion of the NFL in college football is in the coaching ranks. Fans all over the country are unfortunately familiar with being turned into miniature NFL teams, and it's not often a pleasant experience. On occasion it works spectacularly (Pete Carroll at USC and Nick Saban at LSU and Alabama, most notably), but more often than not, it results in staid mediocrity (Bill Callahan at Nebraska, Dave Wannstedt at Pittsburgh). This is not surprising, as long-time NFL coaches will have had years of indoctrination in the robotic, uniform, and parity-obsessed theory of football that rules the League.

Then consider how absurd and idiotic the professional football media have been in covering the ridiculous Tim Tebow circus this year. Somehow, in the myopic echo chamber that is the NFL empire, a QB running fairly simple option plays became something of a revolution, an insurgency of "otherness" in the unquestionable world of drop-back passers. The vitriol directed at Tebow from a string of drooling former pro QBs, now professional morons pundits, was not principally due to his vocal beliefs, but that he dared play in "their" league with a skill set moderately different from their own. Whether or not Tebow succeeds is irrelevant. The reasoning for their attacks is what matters.

The NFL teaches one way and one way only: Theirs. There is no room for debate or variety. When coaches steeped in this totalitarian view of football make the switch to the comparatively wild, unhinged world of college football, the results are rarely good. For every one Carroll (who had the benefit of incredible resources, many of them against the rules), there are ten Al Grohs. It's actually somewhat rare for an NFL coach to be a genuine disaster in college, save the odd Callahan.

Instead of spectacular failures, they tend to find some consistent middle ground to make their home: Never achieving greatness, never flaming out in stupendous failure. Boring the daylights out of all of us, basically. They run the "pro style" offense, whatever the defense du jour is in the League, and do it with no personality or invention whatsoever. My fellow Gator fans, let us hope we've got a Carroll (without the cheating), and not a Groh. I'm not particularly confident.

The other major encroachment of the NFL is more recent, and far more bombastic. It would appear that the rolling disaster that is conference realignment has little to do with the NFL, but there is something more sinister at play here than the normal incompetence and foolishness of those who run college football. It's easier to see if you lay out all the possible changes on the table.

First, we appear to be heading to 16-team superconferences. This is an unwieldy and unmanageable number of teams in a sport with a 12-game season. It also happens to be the same number of teams in each NFL conference. Second, note the arrival of sharks like Larry Scott to the college football world. It's easy to see Scott as a reformer and visionary, but all he's really doing is expanding his product into new markets and maximizing TV revenue. These are the primary (read: only) goals of the NFL. Yes, college football has long been beholden to the TV networks, but in times past the people in charge had enough sense and shame to stop themselves from whoring out to every marketing suit who walks through the door. Scott and his inevitable clones will change all that. We're going to NFL size, NFL money, and almost assuredly NFL monotony.

To most people, the NFL does not seem like the evil behemoth that it actually is. What makes the League so soulless and all-consuming is their relentless pursuit of every last cent in every pocket in America. They stop at nothing to get your money. If your team, who you might have spent a lifetime rooting for and giving obscene amounts of money to, is sold to the wrong owner, you won't have a team next season. How the NFL (or any American pro sports league) has convinced fans to devote time and money to a system which may, at any time, literally steal the entire team away and move them elsewhere is a wonder. All those years and dollars were for nothing. It's a cash grab, and they couldn't be more obvious about it if they tried. They black out home games, including for teams with fans in the depths of recession, because of unsold tickets. They take part in greedy lockouts, and threaten to simply not play an entire season over their insatiable appetite for cash.

The NFL is a sports league where the winner isn't determined by who has the most points at the end of the game, but by whose cash till rings most often. If you don't pay up at the ticket window, they don't show your games. If you don't pay up in the voting booth for a new stadium every twenty years, they steal your team and move them across the country. Vegas casinos would blush at the way the NFL nakedly exploits their customers.

What does all of this have to do with bowls and playoffs? Everything, because the way you crown your champion is a lynchpin in defining who you are as a sport. European soccer leagues pride themselves on their remarkably fair system, where every teams plays every other team twice, once at home, once away. Every schedule is equal. The winner is anointed after rigorous play, and almost always without argument.

College football's system is unique in all the world. Nowhere, not even in other college sports, is there a system so nonsensical, haphazard and unfair as this. It's something you'd expect a drunk lunatic to design. Opinion polls and computer formulas to determine the top two teams out of 120? It's so bizarre I've actually spoken to British soccer fans who refused to believe that this was actually the way my favorite sport is organized. But this broken joke of system is also one of the main reasons why this sport is so fascinating.

How boring would it be if every conference champion was seeded into a playoff system, and then run through a little NFL playoff complete with a little Super Bowl? Without hurt and injustice, there can be no interest beyond the field. It's easy and "right" to say that only what happens between the lines should matter, but that stance is directly opposed to the entire history and culture of college football. Split titles and dubious championship claims are an integral part of this sport. What X's and O's matchup can exceed the drama of Urban Meyer openly lobbying for votes on national TV? Every year we see United States Congressmen threaten college football with investigations over this system. Would a playoff generate even a tenth of the passion we take for granted now?

Playoffs would be a bigger move to NFL-izing college football than hiring a hundred Al Grohs. For this reason, if no other, college football should maintain the bowl system roughly as we know it. All the unfairness and inequality the BCS can muster is forever preferable to the eternal beige winter of a minor league NFL.

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I fail to see how a playoff

especially a small one, would lead to more NFL blandness.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 3, 2012 12:28 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Personally, I don’t think the NFL is “bland” at all. Each pro-sport has it’s own issues (most notably the MLB and a salary cap) but they all work and are to me at least, highly enjoyable. Though the NBA gets boring at times more so than the others.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Admittedly I have extreme views on the NFL.

I think the NFL is well on their way to NBA status. The NBA is an absolute joke, from idiotic franchise moves, to corrupt refs, to lockouts, to every other self-inflicted problem.

The way the NFL is going, I think it’ll catch up to the NBA in a couple decades. You can only treat your fans like trash for so long before the wheels come off.

Oh, come on. Don't leave your uncle T-bag hangin'.

by Troll2Troll on Jan 3, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s what I meant by saying the “NBA gets boring more so than the others” … it’s just unreal at times. I get what you’re saying.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

nfl sucks

the clash of a variety of styles is part of what is good about college football

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 3, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is absurd.

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by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

The level of contempt college football has for their players/fans is astounding.

They shovel laughable bullshit like “student-athletes” down our throats, and know we’re too stupid or apathetic to care.

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by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

The NFL is the most staid, corporate sports league in the world.

Everything from the marketing of the teams to the rules they implement is meant to take out anything that could offend. It’s a purposely boring league.

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by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

You NBA is boring people are crazy

it’s horribly mismanaged most of the time, and it’s the most star-powered game ever, but it isn’t boring.

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by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Jan 3, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

These are people who don't like basketball, so take their opinion with a grain of salt.

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying it’s boring all the time. But the level of play is for the large part a joke. There are no fundamentals anymore.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure why you think this.

The level of play has never been higher. The NBA, unlike the NFL, gets the best players from across the world. The sport of basketball’s training for elite athletes is second only to soccer.

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

So you think that the NBA, is a technical and fundamental league? The NBA is all about the highlight reel dunk, flashy antics and theater. There are some incredible athletes for sure, but they go about things the wrong way.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

The defense has never been better, the shooting is so good that seven footers can now hit threes, ball handling is phenomenal...

I just don’t see where the “fundamentals” are being ignored. Your idea of fundamentals might be different than mine though, so what is it that you don’t think they do properly in the NBA?

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

The defense has never been better? Really? Have you seen big men like Pau Gasol play defense? Didn’t think so. What about other players? We’re watching a different NBA then.

The shooting is so good, because there is no defense. But it’s different than say the 80’s. Aside from Dirk, there are only two big men in the league that can hold a candle to any of the past big men. Dwight Howard is one and Bynum is the other. And Howard has no post moves, all he is, is dunks and Bynum is running out of time (though last night his 20-20 was a good start).

They (everybody in the league) flops like a prom date every time they are touched, they whine and complain so much that you’d think games were a crying contest, they travel on nearly every breakaway, there is a complete lack of an understanding of what a pivot foot is league-wide … it just goes on and on.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I like the NBA, I’m a huge Celtics fan and I’ll watch practically every big game there is. But that doesn’t mean that there are things that I’d like to see changed or improved, much like in every sport.

(Cough – MLB salary cap – Cough)

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

We must be watching a different NBA, because Pau is a very good defender.

A seven footer who can guard big post players, offers great weak side shot blocking, and has the ability to hedge on pick and rolls on guards. Pau and Bynum on the floor together have been almost unstoppable the past few years.

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Traveling stuff is silly as is the "whining",

every athlete in every sport complains all the time. Have you ever seen a football game? There is literally jawing after every single play.

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by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but nothing is like NBA players and their crying.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

only cause NBA players don't wear helmets

NFL players are huge trash talkers and whiners, the WR position has become the most diva position in all sports.

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 4, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I know they do it a lot (especially WR’s) but still … I don’t even think it’s close.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Just saying

if you couldn’t see the NBA players jawing all the time, it would seem to be equal to the NFL players or MLB.

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 4, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

When Pau is on the floor, the Lakers give up 10 less points per 100 possessions.

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see that from Pau. I forgot to mention Kendrick Perkins, who for what he does, is a great defensive center.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

This is such an odd comparision.

Pau is one of the most skilled or “fundamentally sound” big men of all time, and Perkins is sort of an old school stiff offensively.

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

We’re going to have to largely disagree on Pau … Perkins, that’s fair.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't think Noah can defend?

Tyson Chandler, Serge Ibaka, Andrew Bogut….?

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Noah – Yes.
Chandler – Yes.
Ibaka – Getting there.
Bogut – Not as physical as he could be.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember plenty of flopping and crying in the 80s

The fundamentals may be down some (see free throw shooting) but the athleticism is up through the roof. All howard does is dunk – yet it is still impossible to stop.

Don’t you think Laimbeer would have rather just dunked than have to hit 17 foot jumpers? Howard dunks so much because he can.

In all kinds of weather...

by skigator93 on Jan 4, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

it is the highest percent shot to take …

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 4, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

All howard does is dunk – yet it is still impossible to stop.

Perkins does it relatively easy.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Perkins

Also gets away with a lot body pushing that is typically a foul in most lower leagues too.

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 4, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but that stuff hasn’t been considered a foul in the NBA for very long. Up until the mid-90’s … that stuff was considered basketball.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

True

And I liked the NBA a lot back then … Of course you had extremely great centers with fundamentals back then.

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 4, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Free throw shooting is actually better than it's ever been.

The past three seasons have been 3 of the best 13 seasons in the history of the NBA for ft%.

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And that’s a big step forward again, after years of stepping back.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like the 80’s was very good, the early-mid 90’s to late 90’s early 00’s were horrible, and then slowly getting good again.

The 50’s and 60’s were atrocious. Compared to the average of course.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't have thought that

but still – last year was the 10th best NBA FT shooting year….and half of the years better than last year were during the 80s.

In all kinds of weather...

by skigator93 on Jan 4, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the stats kind of back up what I was saying. But we’ll see how it ends up this year. Should automatically be better because Shaq is gone and Rondo has promised to improve.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I giggled when I read the thing about defense and the NBA. Amazing.

by Gators1 on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

People are saying MJ would average 50 ppg in today’s NBA…yet the defense has never been better? LOL’s. The NBA is a f’n joke and has been since 1998.

by Gators1 on Jan 4, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll just let this nonsense hang there.

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

1998???

What makes 98 and the strike shortened season the turning point?

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 4, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy "people are saying" would average 76 ppg retired.

Never mind that scoring is down…

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but

MJ is not the reasoning for a drop or decrease in defense across the board … the 98-99 season was the NBA returning to the teams with good big men win. As it went Duncan/Robinson, Shaq, Shaq, Shaq, Duncan/Robinson, Detroit …, Duncan, Shaq, Duncan, Boston (does KG count?), Lakers w/ Gasol, Lakers w/Gasol, Dirk & Dallas.

Detroit was the only team to really win a championship without a quality big man (no I don’t count either Wallace a quality big man, they are above average and each have a good speciality, but not what I consider quality on the whole). Even when MJ retired the first time Hakeem won it, against Ewing and then Shaq.

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 4, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That's gators1 talking, not me.

KG is absolutely an all time great. If his GM didn’t lose all those first round picks (Joe Smith situation), we’d be talking about the great KG-Duncan rivalry.

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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

I thought you might be trying to answer for him … I could tell there was sarcasm involved but just wanted to make the point even more loud and clear.

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 4, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m just saying…The NBA started to decline after MJ’s 2nd retirement. Almost all my friends quit watching the NBA, too….and when I ask them when they quit following it’s always around the 1998-2000 time. A couple hung in there until like 2002ish, but that’s about it. I will stick to watching High School Basketball….where coaches coach. There’s only one team in the last 10 years that I can respect…and that’s the 2004 Detroit Pistons.

by Gators1 on Jan 4, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll still argue to the death, with just about anyone, about whether or not MJ was the greatest basketball player of all-time.

He wasn’t.

But yeah, those 2004 Pistons, were a fun team to watch.

Deeeeeeeeeeetroit Baaaaaaaaaaaasketball.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Excuse me?

Did you not just see my comment about how it takes a dominant big to win a title?

Tell me, who was Jordan’s dominant big on his team? I just want one offensive minded and capable defensive big (who happens to be the same guy).

And for him to win not 1, but 6 titles without a big, when Hakeem, Patrick, Shaq, David Robinson and the like were strolling the paint is amazing.

As far as respecting the 2004 Pistons, heck yeah, the 2006-2007 Gators reminded me alot of them too. Good team ball. But if you like them, you’ll love the Denver Nuggets this year.

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 5, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me guess … you also think that Phil Jackson is the greatest NBA coach ever as well right?

by FlaGators on Jan 5, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

H NO!

Phil Jackson is one of those coaches people point to to argue to that players are more important than coaches. He is decent, but I think Greg Popavich is one of the best coaches in my day, followed by Ric Adleman as far as NBA is concerned.

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 5, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

NBA reminds me of MLB

If your not really invested in a specific team, the games can get boring because there is so many. I enjoy watching the final 2-3 minutes and the playoffs. Although I do think games are awesome to attend, same for baseball.

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by Hook85 on Jan 4, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, what could be more NFL than football playoffs in December/January?

That would be the obvious argument. The other argument is that virtually every major change already made or about to be made has been to professionalize college football. Huge TV contracts, NFL-quality facilities being built all over the place, enormous contracts given to head coaches, and even the cyclical rhythm of coaching philosophies has entered an NFL mode, as both Gators and Noles can attest.

There’s also the move to a $2,000 “stipend”, and various length scholarships. It’s not a huge jump to call those things (meager) “salaries” and “contracts.”

I actually support the stipend, but it does give me more than a little pause.

Obviously the NFL does not have a monopoly on playoffs in sports, but they do have a monopoly on playoffs in football. I believe that if college football ever adopts a playoff, it’s going to be harder and harder to spot the difference between the two.

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by Troll2Troll on Jan 3, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, NFL playoff ratings will probably always lead the ratings war as well. Sure, a lot of people watch college football, but in the grand scheme of things, they aren’t really close. Especially when you compare, playoffs, bowls, national championship games, Super Bowls … and what not.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I will take the National Championship game over the Super Bowl any day. You couldn’t pay me enough to watch the SB instead of the NCG. Picking the SB over the NCG is like picking Family Guy over South Park.

by Gators1 on Jan 3, 2012 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I’ve watched them both since 1992. I watched them before that, I’m sure (you know, the biggest bowl game or whatever) but I don’t really remember them. I remember the ’Skins beating the Bills though. So yeah…around that time.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I used to love the NFL back in the 90’s. The last Superbowl I watched from start-finish was the Rams-Titans. Air McNair was my favorite player. Sad what happened to him.

by Gators1 on Jan 3, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

And Jeff Fisher is an amazing Head Coach. Be pretty sweet if the Dolphins nab him.*

by Gators1 on Jan 3, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

He’d be a good get for the ’Phins.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

College Football doesnt have to adapt the exact formula the NFL uses for playoffs. A much smaller version could keep the interest in winning regular season games.

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by Hook85 on Jan 3, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I've gone back and forth

but at this point, I’d be willing to go back to the old bowl system and trade some arguments about who’s number one for a little more excitement.

by 1stn25 on Jan 3, 2012 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, that’s kind of how I’m at as well.

The only way I’d be okay with a playoff system in college football is if only conference champions were allowed into the playoffs. Otherwise, I’m fine with the way it is now.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

REC'd

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 3, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I also like the current system.

Obviously it isn’t perfect – anyone who argues that is kidding themselves. But it does get it right most of the time. As I checked out the bowl scores to date this season, it has to be one of the best ever insofar as even matchups. There were 4 overtime games and almost all the others were decided by a TD or less – with only a couple “blowouts” (and even those weren’t really blowputs).

LSU is getting a raw deal this season – but that will always happen when there is only one undefeated team and they already beat the second best team on the road.

My proposal for this bowl season would have been to have Bama play Okie State in the “Consolation Bowl.” LSU would have been given box seats to the game and would be presented with the championship trophy at halftime.

I’m really hoping LSU wins – it would be weak for Bama to get a title after splitting games with LSU and avoiding the conference championship game.

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by skigator93 on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Old Bowl System

I like the old system, I don’t recall in my lifetime ppl bickering over who had the best team in the nation. Maybe 1997 there was a little debate. But those looney teams up north and out west had their Rose Bowl and us down south and in the midwest had our standard sugar/orange bowl.

FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!

by cmk07c on Jan 3, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

1997 was Michigan. The only reason why Nebraska was in the discussion was because of Tom Osbourne and it was his last year coaching, so it was a goodbye present. But I consider Michigan to be the National Champions that year.

Yes, I don’t believe in ties.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

There weren't internet message boards back then

and 24/7 ESPN talking head shows.

It would have been the same back then.

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by Sveet on Jan 3, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

there have always been arguments

BYU, Colorado, GEORGIA TECH?!?!!

If you go back and look there were many years when the national champion was split on the different polls. I think even the Gators were ranked #1 in someone’s final poll in the mid 80s.

I did like when there were far fewer bowls though – it was the Big 4 we have now, plus the Peach, Tangerine, Gator, Bluebonnet, Sun, Cotton….maybe a couple more. But a .500 season wasn’t rewarded with a bowl game….

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by skigator93 on Jan 4, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

agree

send conf champs to the bowls
have a one game after that
would be more than enough
half the fun is in the arguing!

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 3, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice Post Troll2Troll

While I am not against a plus one, a playoff system for college football seems to make more problems and less games for the fans than create. While a plus one seems to shut up some of those morons who fail to realize that this is not the NFL and not college basketball which plays from November to February/beginning of March with up to 3 games a week. Football can’t do that. These kids still need to go to school too. If we say every one of the 120 teams has 85 players, and half of those are upperclassmen, then we are talking about 5100 students athletes who definitely ain’t going pro after the season and only 224 of the remaining 5100 will be drafted … Like the commercial says most of them will be going pro in something other than sports.

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 3, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

Good going T2T

Nice to see you guys picking up steam as an SB Nation site.

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by Nattylite on Jan 3, 2012 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

“It’s best you get off the tracks, because there’s a train coming through!”

Or something like that. Haha.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I honestly hope AA never becomes TN. No offense to TN…But every post has a shitton of comments. Sure if AA got a few more people commenting that would be awesome. Just not 1,000 on every story.

by Gators1 on Jan 3, 2012 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I dont comment there

But it is nice to have a community here that all bring good opinions to the table. I don’t think more people would ruin that as long as we are all here to keep new members in check. Like some of the rival fans who come trolling get sent back to where they came from.

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by Hook85 on Jan 3, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s the rivals that get the nastiness going more often than not. But on here at AA, most of the FSU regulars that stop by are good people. In fact, I’d say that all of them are.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

There's always a trade-off with quantity and quality.

i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Ever read the thousands of comments on yahoo sports? Makes me want to move to a remote island.

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by Hook85 on Jan 4, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The only problem with that, is that in every thread, there are a few comments that get lost. I’ve seen some brilliant comments over there, that get ignored. That doesn’t happen here nearly as often because there are less posts.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. And agree on the FSU people that stop by here. Usually always have good opinions.

by Gators1 on Jan 3, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's also relevant to mention

how rarely a “playoff” actually produces the best team. In fact, when we see a playoff that goes “as scripted”, it’s usually called boring. Playoff winners tend to be the team playing the hottest at that time, but rarely the team that has had the best season. Given that the so called “best team” rarely wins a playoff, it makes me wonder why college football fans clamor for it so. All we hear about are complaints that college football doesn’t have a true champion, or doesn’t allow the best teams to settle it on the field. That being said, we applaud the wild card winner that wins it all in other sports, but you would have a hard time arguing that the 2011 Cardinals, the 2010 Packers, or the 2003 Marlins were actually the best team that year. It just makes me wonder what college football fans expect to happen if there’s a playoff.

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by Cardsfan25 on Jan 3, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

Yep. And like you alluded to, it happens more often than not.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There is another issue with playoffs

The playoffs for the other levels of college football are constantly referenced by the pro-playoff crowd for 1A teams. However, I suspect most of the people doing so have never actually bothered to watch those playoffs. Do so and you’ll see that there are teams that dominate year in and out and that the actual odds of a team to win are no better in the playoff system then in what we have now. The haves have and the have nots have not.

You can argue that this is more fair somehow – always something rather pointless to me – but it doesn’t change the fact that the status quo still gets maintained.

I witnessed the Kentucky - Western Kentucky derpfest of '11 and survived to tell the tale

by SC-Gator on Jan 3, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That's an interesting debate.

What percentage of the championship do you want to be luck? It’s much harder to answer than people expect, and comes down to personal preference as much as anything. The NFL’s playoff system and the inherent variability of a 5/7 game baseball series gives those sports an illusion of parity that college football or the NBA don’t have.

i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Jan 4, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I do believe, if I'm not mistaken

That a gif of Orson Wells clapping should go here.

I pretty much agree with the entire article. I do think that there are revisions needed – the big one for me is and always has been that you MUST win your conference to even dream of playing for the title – and I’m fine with some form of the plus one system since it doesn’t devalue the season.

But must off all I love the maddening frustrating amazing awesomeness of how we determine the champion. In a sport that actually does value unique ideas and unique people it’s as unique as you get.

I witnessed the Kentucky - Western Kentucky derpfest of '11 and survived to tell the tale

by SC-Gator on Jan 3, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

I dont agree

I do think the NFL is boring. The Denver Broncos are in the playoffs at 8-8. I do agree the one thing I love about college football is the importance of every game in the regular season. But the BCS is so corrupt its ridiculous. So there has to be a way to find a happy medium, but all the money is in the bowl games. So its hard to imagine a playoff system,ever. I think a way to please all is a plus 2 or even 4.

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by Hook85 on Jan 3, 2012 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

I would have enjoyed a 4 team this year…

LSU vs Oregon
Alabama vs Oklahoma State

I think we would still end up with a Bammer-LSU NCG…but atleast we would of had a 4 team “playoff” for the Ball.

by Gators1 on Jan 3, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

where would you play the games?

would the higher seeds get home field and you would just scrap some of the bowls?
Because if you propose consecutive weeks of bowl games in neutral sites for a playoff – you would have a problem with fans/alumni being able to travel to the postseason games, buy hotels, tickets, etc…

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by skigator93 on Jan 4, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

build it and they will come

Sponsors would love to pay a measly couple million to each team.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Jan 4, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome read.

Troll2Troll goin after the big guys in the first post I love it!!! The view is a bit radical but it does make sense. And it was a hell of alot better than listening to those radical political douschebags on CNN or Fox News cuz those guys suck. Well done sir well done very enjoyable.

by gatorempire127 on Jan 3, 2012 3:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

PS- I don’t really have anything to say on the matter I just want college football idc how we get there as long as it happens.

by gatorempire127 on Jan 3, 2012 3:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Football playoff

While I don’t want a playoff and we are not getting one since the real bosses won’t permit it, Every other division of college football has one so it would not ruin the game in my opinon.

by Barry L Alexander on Jan 3, 2012 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

4 team playoff is all you need

It wouldn’t ruin anything about the regular season

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by Sveet on Jan 3, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

4 team playoff would be great

especially when the 4th and 5th team are even. (Stanford or Oregon.)

by kujo24 on Jan 3, 2012 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

playoffs are just tournaments

play 3, easy to get 3 different winners
best team doesn’t necessarily win all their games
alabama wins, are they best team?
with 1-1 record against lsu?

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 3, 2012 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Well, a loss wouldn’t make LSU the best would it? Maybe 50% the best. At best.

by FlaGators on Jan 3, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

3 National Champions? LSU, Bammer, Oklahoma State and a Runner-Up National Champion? Oregon. Chaos I tell ya, Chaos. Could there be 3-4 teams with 2012 “Claimed” National Championships if LSU loses?

by Gators1 on Jan 3, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Order from Chaos … I’m pretty sure that can be explained, no wait … that was from the book The Lost Symbol. Yeah, I think that should LSU lose, that might just happen. Though I think some bogus subscription will crown Okie State champs and they’ll claim it anyway.

The only one that matters is the BCS. The AP, and all the rest, are worthless.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I think LSU should be one of them

If Bama beats LSU in a neutral site – they are 1-1 against each other with LSU’s win coming on the road. Plus LSU has that SEC title too which Bama didn’t even qualify for. Why should Bama be ranked ahead of LSU in that situation? Because they beat them second?

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by skigator93 on Jan 4, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. I guarantee T. Boone will spend millions of dollars someway or another to get OKST a claimed National Championship. It will be interesting to see what happens. As long as LSU takes care of business noone else should get a single first place vote in any poll.

by Gators1 on Jan 4, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s why I’m really hoping for LSU to win. So that talk, doesn’t even start.

by FlaGators on Jan 4, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I want LSU to win

because Bama fans are more annoying than Dawg fans lately. And Emperor Palap …. I mean Saban, can stick it up his “where the sun don’t shine”

Coach Boom: Emperor Palpatine, I mean Saban, when I get to Florida who should I get to run my offense?
Emperor Pal ...err Nick Saban: Charlie Weis is better. He goes in first and screws the offense. Mike Shula is better. He leaves the fanbase devoid of hope and life. Oh, really, fool? Really.
[Notices Kerwin Bell walking up.]
Nick Saban: Stop looking at me, Bell.

by ECFIVESTER on Jan 4, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

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