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Tennessee 75, Florida 70: What We Learned From Getting Punched In The Mouth

I suffered through Florida's 75-70 loss to Tennessee — the clubhouse leader for deceiving final score of a Gators game in 2012 — with Nicole, who is about the best companion possible for a frustrating, dismal effort. We yelled during the game and, on the way out, discussed what we learned today. After the jump, what we came up with.

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  • Offensive rebounds are awesome, and second-chance points equally so. Florida doesn't get either with any regularity, but fouls on Erik Murphy and Will Yeguete's concussion — the scariest one I've seen in the O'Dome as a Florida basketball fan — didn't help today. Tennessee had eight, but it felt like eighteen, and the Vols turned them into a ton of second-chance points.
  • Will Yeguete is way more important than you think. Yeguete is the heart of this team, a glue guy that does everything except score well and doesn't need to be fed, watered, or otherwise maintained. He's a presence when he's healthy and flying around, and there was a massive abscess on the floor for Florida today when he wasn't. Get well soon, Will. We need you.
  • Mike Rosario is more important than you think, too. I thought Rosario was likely to be a glorified shooter, or a Kenny Boynton clone with less defense. He's not, especially since Billy Donovan lit a fire under him to get him to play defense, and he was missed on Saturday as Boynton and Walker struggled to get their shots. At the very least, he's added depth for the guard positions, which Bradley Beal can't really provide, tasked as he is with guarding small forwards; at his best, Rosario can be a spark on offense and defense. Florida could have used that today.
  • Patric Young isn't healthy, and he might not be for the rest of the season. Young's ankle continues to bug him, and he's probably not getting a whole lot healthier this season, thanks to how much the Gators need him down low. He played 36 minutes on Saturday, and shot just four field goals; he struggles to establish consistent post position when he's tired, and doesn't always get entry passes from guards that don't seem interested in establishing him when he does. That leaves me wondering how effective he'll be for the rest of the year. (He also plays better on defense with Yeguete than Murphy, but that's another point.)
  • This is what Billyball does. Florida's just going to have games like this from time to time, and while the first half was about as bad a half as I've seen Florida play under Donovan, that's somewhat understandable with Rosario and Yeguete out. Florida's also going to shoot lights out from time to time and make other teams look bad.

I don't know where Florida will go from here. I'm with Donovan on needing his team to get more "hardened," and beginning to buy into the idea that this squad would be achieving something by getting to the Sweet Sixteen. But I see a lot of the things that I see every year from Donovan's perpetually undersized and somewhat streaky program, and I know that can turn into clutch play late in the season or a team that ends up being ultimately disappointing.

These Gators could still go either way.

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Perpetually undersized and somewhat streaky is exactly what they've been since 2008

And generally disappointing, except last year. I love last year’s team, maybe more than the back-to-back champs.

In all kinds of weather we'll all stick together

by doker on Feb 12, 2012 12:20 AM EST reply actions  

Parsons, Tyus, and Maclin

plus Erv, Kenny, et al. They were just a solid, true team. Not as talented or dominant as the ‘04s, but that’s part of why they were so lovable last year. After a bunch of transfers and too-early departures from 08-10, last year’s guys stuck it out and could have been the Final Four favorites if a few balls fell their way against Butler.

In all kinds of weather we'll all stick together

by doker on Feb 12, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Recruiting..

Do kids just not like playing in Billy’s system? I don’t understand why we don’t have better basketball recruiting…. Any feedback?

by DCGator on Feb 12, 2012 8:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Personally, I think it is because we’re Florida. It’ll still be years before that label is gone. Back-to-back national championships or not. Which I still believe were more a combination of chance, luck and what not than say great recruiting and the like.

by FlaGators on Feb 12, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean we’ve had some good runs in the tourny besides the back to back. And kids still pick schools that haven’t made a run in years… We need big men bad

by DCGator on Feb 12, 2012 9:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m not following…..Donovan has landed a ton of McD’s AAs. How many of those elite players played for Florida before he arrived? I think we have become a little spoiled and unrealistic in our goals for Florida basketball.

Yes, Donovan’s team have their faults – they always do and they are pretty consistent. We typically have too many guards that love to chuck 3s. But wasn’t that Billy as a player? If you are a big man, do you really want to play in a system of run and gun 3-chuckers?

Donovan is a great recruiter. Do you not think that Coach K or or Cal would love to have Patric Young or Bradley Beal on their squads? We can’t get but so many top players – especially with the product we have to sell.

Look at yesterday – we come in ranked #7 trying to extend a 19 game home winning streak against a big rival in UT. Where were the fans? Shouldn’t the O’Dome have been jam packed? Couldn’t really tell on TV, but it looked like there were plenty of empties in the second level and the top level looked almost empty.

If I’m an elite player, why would I choose that over Duke, ’Cuse, Kansas, UK, etc. where I would be a god playing in front of packed houses even during the week against cupcake teams?

The fact that Billy can get any of these McDonalds kids to come to UF is pretty astounding.

In all kinds of weather...

by skigator93 on Feb 12, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

mythical #7

no way we are in the top ten

and comments about this style leading to poor recruiting for front court players are right on

12 in 12, thank you very much

by sportsman on Feb 12, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, but we aren’t a basketball school.

The schools Duke, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina and Syracuse (among others) are always going to get theirs first. It’s just the way it is.

Like I said, it’s going to take years (and years) before things change. Florida basketball isn’t going to get any better than it already is. We probably won’t ever win another championship in the next 25-30 years. Probably even longer than that.

We are a football school. Always have been, always will. Recruits notice that.

by FlaGators on Feb 12, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. You think it’s going to be that long before we win another championship?

by DCGator on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

In basketball, yes. I’d take those numbers before any other time frame. I’m not saying we won’t make a run at one (or two) but it is extremely difficult to win one. Especially with the tournament format. You’ve got to be one your “A-game” for six games and at the same time catch a few breaks along the way.

by FlaGators on Feb 12, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

True. I can’t see us or any team relying on pure shooting every game of the tourny. If we could just clone Noah then we could dominate the boards! Haha

by DCGator on Feb 12, 2012 11:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, but if they do … do you think that they’ll all go to UF and have the same success the originals did?

by FlaGators on Feb 13, 2012 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I mean it has only been a year since we’ve had Parsons, Tyus and Macklin but big men should want to play for UF. I can’t think of a former UF/Donovan guard playing in the NBA now. Most, if not all, of former UF players in the NBA now are bigs.

Maybe the bigs Donovan are targeting are also looking at the basketball blue bloods, reducing the chance of us landing those recruits.

by whambam on Feb 13, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that is partly due to the fact that it is much easier to get a shot in the NBA as a big than a guard. You’re also more likely to be given a chance to hang-on in the league if you’re a big as well. The leash is much longer.

Teams are always looking for a big man. But teams have plenty of guys they can get to just stand there and shoot the ball from 20-feet out.

by FlaGators on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

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